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at's Eyes - The Truth at Last!

by Traveller: 2005-07-17 | 6.92 out of 10 (25 votes)

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I would first of all like to say that this is my first theory I have written, so forgive me if I ramble or repeat myself.

Many people have expressed the idea that Mat accepted wine from Ba'alzamon, and therefore his eye could be used for the Forsaken or Dark One to look through. They have backed this up by saying that we never get to see Mat's dreams and we only see Rand and Perrin refusing wine in their dreams. However, after Rand dreams of being offered the wine and refusing in Baerlon, he meets Mat out in the streets. They both decide not to tell Moiraine of their dream, but to tell Thom. Mat tells the dream to Thom and Rand thinks:

“...each dream was a little different, he thought. The major part of the dreams was the same, though.”

From this, I think we can deduce that Mat did not accept the wine, as this would have been a major difference, and did not miss it out because otherwise Rand would add it in later when he says his part.

Now, I think that each of the three boys had a dream where their eyes were taken. First of all: Perrin.

“‘I mark you mine!” He flung out his clenched hand as if throwing something; when his fingers opened, a raven streaked at Perrin's face. Perrin screamed as the black beak pierced his left eye.”

This is from the dream Perrin has in the Tuatha'an camp. We know that the boy's dreams are in Tel'aran'rhiod from the ways that the light is described by Rand in his (coming from everywhere at once, etc, etc). This means that whatever happens in their dreams are true. This means that although the raven did not take Perrin's physical eye, they have in some way “taken his eye”. Also, ravens are often used by the Dark one to see through their eyes, so is there a more appropriate creature to take the boys' eyes?

When he wakes, he, Elyas and Egwene decide to leave. As they are leaving, Perrin thinks:

“Perrin did not want to think about his dream. He had though that the wolves made them safe. Not complete. Accept. Full heart. Full mind. You still struggle. Only complete when you accept.”

This gives us a reason to believe that Perrin can be safe once he accepts the wolves.

When Perrin and Egwene are caught by the Whitecloaks, Hopper attacks the Whitecloaks. In this one moment, Perrin becomes one with Hopper flying through the air. We can see this as fully accepting the wolves into his mind and heart. Robert Jordan then describes how Hopper looks after the raven attack on the pack of wolves:

“A gash down his face crossed the empty socket where his left eye had been.”

Perrin's left eye was plucked out by a raven; Hopper's left eye was plucked out by a raven. I understand this as Hopper took the evil into his eye on behalf of Perrin. This means that Perrin no longer has Forsaken looking through his eye.

Rand has a dream later in the back of Bunt's cart on the way to Caemlyn.

“‘You are mine,' the raven said, and the sharp beak stabbed into his eye. He screamed as it plucked his eyeball out of his head.”

Again, I think that as the dream was in Tel'aran'rhiod, the raven must have in some way taken Rand's eye. I am extremely irritated because I cannot find the next quote I was going to use anywhere. However I know that somewhere near the beginning of book 1, Moiraine tells someone that the One Power gives protection to the user against the Dark One. She then said that for men the taint also weakens them to the Dark One so it works both ways. From this, I believe that from the time that Rand uses the power (perhaps the first time is when he makes lightening strike down Howal Gode in the Dancing Cartman) he is protected and his eye cannot be used by the dark.

Then we come to Mat:

We know he had the same dream of his eye being taken from this quote as he woke:

"My eyes! Oh, Light, My eyes! He took My eyes!"

Now, Mat has no way of countering this. Also, there are many other pieces of evidence that back up the theory that Mat's eyes are being used. There are so many that it is almost impossible to believe it is not true:

Mat exclaims that he would never betray rand, over and over again after rand tries to take them to Toman Head using the Portal Stone. This caused everyone involved to see their lives replayed, so we can assume that mat saw himself betray Rand many times.

Also, when the company arrives at the Eye of the World, Aginor says: “He guided us.”

Moridin mentions that he has spies everywhere, and that some don't even know they are spies- this seems too much of a coincidence just to mention this for the fun of it.

Also, Min has several viewings of Mat, including:

“An eye on a balance scale.”

Also Egwene sees:

“Mat throwing dice with blood streaming down his face, the wide brim of his hat pulled low so she could not see his wound, while Thom Merrilin put his hand into the fire to draw out the small blue stone which now dangled on Moiraine's forehead.”

This seems to implicate that Mat will lose an eye to help save Moiraine. We know that Moiraine is somehow trapped by the Aelfinn and Eelfinn, and when Mat went to visit them they told him that he must give up half the light of the world to save the world. This can obviously be interpreted as losing an eye to save the world. As losing an eye seems to be connected with saving Moiraine (who will go on to help save the world), Mat will return to the other world perhaps through the Tower of Ghenjei, and set the price as his eye to save Moiraine.

I think that this makes it all too clear that Mat's eye is being used to spy on what he sees, and how it came to be. Thanks for bothering to read all this and I would really appreciate some replies so I can see whether anyone else agrees with my ramblings.
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Tamyrlin: 2005-08-12

A unique interpretation of Mat's eye. Giving up half the light of the world to save the world. Betraying Rand, or seeing himself betray Rand. Losing his eye, etc. All imagery associated with Mat's eye that has yet to occur. I like how you have compared all three ta'veren to being attacked in the eye in their dreams. Perrin protected by the wolves now, Rand protecting his dreams with the OP and Asmodean's help, but Mat, as you mention, we don't see Mat's dreams. While he doesn't have direct access to the T'A'R, Ishamael knows where to find him as do other Forsaken. But, as you mentioned, we have stopped wondering what Ishamael has done with that information. Is he still using Mat in his dreams, and by extension, somehow seeing through Mat? A good study would be to examine what events occur after Mat arrives somewhere. Why would the Finn want Mat's eye? I don't know if I believe they can see everything Mat is doing through his actual eye, but the idea is compelling.

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SugarBullet: 2005-08-12

I love reading theories like this. Compelling and fresh. Not the direction I had been thinking, but it answers a lot of nagging questions, doesn't it? I think the rand dream is right after moirane mysteriously tells rand that he should tell her if he has any nightmares. I think perhaps it is hard to find because it actually happened while they were still in two rivers. If memory serves.

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Jahar Narishma: 2005-08-12

As for why the Finn might want Mat's eye, keep in mind that saying the wrong thing can have consequences. When mat went through the door in Rhuidean, he naively asked for several things without asking a price. Supposing he goes in to save Moiraine somehow...I've always imagined that he'd mutter something along the lines of "Blood and bloody ashes, I'd give my right eye to get her back!" To which the 'Finn would likely reply "your offer is acceptable, the deal is made."

Incidentally, the "half the light of the world" could be completely unrelated to the eye thing. The weighing the eye on the balance scale recalls the Norse myth of Odin, who gave up his eye for knowledge. I know that RJ likes to draw from various mythologies, so this seems like a decent comparison.

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Anubis: 2005-08-12

Best eye theory ive heard so far. Still dont buy it though. I think if the DO or forsaken could see through matts eye, then things would be different. Have you considered the possibility that the Medallion protects matt from the whole eye thing? It wards his dreams (side affect according to RJ) so it is possible, even likely.

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NargsBrood: 2005-08-12

In one of the weekly questions, RJ answered in regards to dreams being protected that Perrin is protected by the wolves, Rand is protected by the OP and Mat is protected by the fox head medalion, though he doesnt know it. He says its a "true side-affect". I think that right there throws this theory out the window although it was very interesting.

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WinespringBrother: 2005-08-12

I believe in one of the questions of the week that RJ said that Mat's dreams are shielded by his medallion, so he is probably protected, in that sense anyway.

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Anubis: 2005-08-13

Another thought, and i must ask for the help of a quotemaster seeing as my copies (yeah ive bought 3... i lose things) of TEOTW are MIA. .... and this doesnt happen in TEOTW but in TGH, but same story there. ANYHOO. Doesnt the same sort of something boring into the eye in a dream state happen to Bors? Who knows what happend, or what Ishy tried with Rand Perrin and Mat

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Kantuna: 2005-08-13

We know from many places that the 'Finns hate anything to do with the Dark one - for instance, any questions related to the power have "Dire Consequences." If Mat's eye is sometimes being used to spy through by the Forsaken, then maybe the 'Finns would just take it anyway. I know that Mat's eye was "Taken" before he went into Finnland before, but maybe the Forsaken have to sort of come forward in his mind in order to see through it. (If anybody has read The Drawing of the Three by Steven King, it would be like how Roland sees though Eddies eyes.)

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Kender: 2005-08-13

well if the medallion protects him it still only showed up a couple of books in and the idea would still work yay!

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JakOShadows: 2005-08-13

I agree with everyone else about the protection of Mat's ter'angreal, but I like how you connected the theory to Thom rescueing Moraine. I do think that those two prophecies will be connected somehow.

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Dorindha: 2005-08-15

Although the medallion factor is now present, that doesn't stop this explanation working for earlier in the series. I like the idea that Mat was somehow "corrupted" (and I use the word loosely) in his dreams and effectively snitched. However, I always took the quote at the Eye to mean that the Forsaken had followed the beacon of the dagger, which Mat was still carrying at that point.

The introduction of the medallion kind of upsets your conclusion, but I do like your reasoning.

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Kantuna: 2005-08-16

The medallion is protecting Mat, but that doesn't mean that the DO can't see through his eye.

Let me explain.

1. The RJ quote was in relation to dreams - and if Mat's eye was taken before he was protected then it might not make any difference.

2. I think that the medallion doesn't mean that his dreams will never again be controlled or anything like that. What it does mean is that the medallion is like a wall - it blocks the dreams and the DO from using his eye, but when it goes, so does the wall. Basically, if Mat loses the medallion, he loses his protection.

(This couldn't happen to Perrin, because as far as we know there is no way to stop being a wolfbrother. I suppose it could happen to Rand if he got gentled though.)

So, in short, If Mat loses his medallion, the DO will be able to use his eye again.

The wound isn't healed, just blocked up with masking tape for a bit. =)

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Anubis: 2005-08-16

The Gholam wants Mat dead. The Gholam killed fel (unless you suscribe to the multiple gholam theory which i dont). The only person who would order Fel dead, who would understand his ramblings is Ishmael/Morridin. Ishmael/Morridin has ordered Mat dead in the past. (He doesnt need Mat and Perrin alive, just Rand) So, you mean to tell me, that while Mat was running and hiding from the Gholam, the Dark One could "see through his eye", an ability that has NEVER been mentioned before, not even in the freaking EYES OF THE SHADOW, and Mat somehow didnt get found and killed by the Gholam?

Or if you need a geekier example. Its like 2 people playing CS in a room. 1 is dead and is watching an enemies POV and telling his friend when to strike. Its a short game.

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red hand: 2005-08-16

i'm pretty sure that this has been pointed out in other theories, but..

the quote about the finns and the dark are from morraine. she doesn't say that they "hate" the dark. she says that questions touching the dark can have "dire consequences".

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blytzd: 2005-08-18

Great theory I never thought this through before but I like it. Someone mentioned they tracked Mat through the dagger, why not track Fain the same way since the Forsaken apparantly want him dead too. Could this be also why the forsaken tracked Rand and crew to the Waste (since Mat didnt have the Medallion yet) or did Lanfear track Rand somehow?

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mako0424: 2005-08-18

I liked this theory somewhat, but i too, seriously doubt the Dark One or Ishy/Moridin or anyone can see through his eye. But i do think his eye will be important in saving the world, he will lose it, most likely too the Finns, but i also liked the involvment of Mat's possible betrayal of Rand.

But a quick interjection, earlier someone noted that Perrin's eye was attacked by a raven, and later,m Hopper's eye was missing and scarred after Perrin accepts the wolves, and they begin to protect him in the dream, well its not symbolic or anything, i reread it, and Hopper's eye was gouged out by the ravens in real life, when Dapple, and Wind, and Hopper are attacked.

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Anubis: 2005-08-18

I remember at the Dark Friend Social, when Bors is being given commands by Ishy, something bores into his eye. Perhaps thats what he was trying to do to Rand and co. Quotemasters go! :D

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Traveller: 2005-08-20

A quote with Bors is:

" A raven stared him in the eye, knowing him, and was gone."

I know this isn't the one people were looking for, but I couldn't find it... But if he had a sensation of a raven plucking out his eye, then he thought a raven KNEW him, maybe a raven somewhere looks through Mat's eye and can feed back small things to a myrdraal or Forsaken or something...OK, its not exactly foolproof, but it's something.

Anyway, on the whole medallion thing, it could protect him, but not from everything- all the protections for the three ta'veren have their weaknesses:

1. Rand is susceptible to be turned to the dark by 13 myrdraal etc (which only works on channelers)

2. Perrin is vulnerable to death through the wolf dream (which he couldn't go to if it wasn't for the wolves)

3. So maybe Mat is protected byt the medallion, but there must be weaknesses, this series woyuld be so boring if the main characters were invulnerable!

I am taking into account all the criticism, so don't feel like just coz I try to disproove it, that I am ignoring it!

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Traveller: 2005-08-20

In answer to Mako0424, they don't seem to be connected symbolically, but it seems to much of a coincidence that Perrin's left eye was pecked out by a Raven in his dream, then Hoppers left eye was plucked out by ravens in real life. I think that in my mind there is no chance that these are not connected- Hopper helped him by taking the brunt of what the ravens did in real life!

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JakOShadows: 2005-08-20

Anubis: For your idea to work though, it means that Mat would have had to formed that connection in his dreams in tEotW, and I don't see much evidence in the book for that. I think he would have been caught or killed by now if that were true. And as to Lanfear's plots in tSR, I think Lanfear keeps as close an eye on Rand as the DO himself as to where he's going. More so than the others because she is obsessed with turning him to her side, hence she would take a much more personal interest in it. I don't think Lanfear would need to use the DO's information from Mat's eye to track where Rand is, so you can't really use her ability to track him as evidence. Now later in the book, there were a few incidences where the DO and forsaken know where Rand is going and there is no possible way they could have known without having some inside informant. But in that instance there is an explanation.

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mako0424: 2005-08-25

This is in rereply to Traveller.

Ya, i see your point, and it seems blatantly obvious that both have their left eyes gouged, but i dont think this either implies that Mat's eye is both a tool for spying and what not and i as well don't think this implies that Perrin's eye was temporarily some device for espionage but Hopper took this into himself to protect, perrin.

I think that very well may be the symbolism is that both are attacked by ravens, but there is no further connection, ie. spying eye dark one what nots.

this is more coincedental, and significant to Perrin, because both resist the Dark One, and both suffer, but no further does this insinuate anything.

The fact that Perrin's attack is solely in the dream wolrd, and Hopper's in the reality world doesn't reflect upon one another, because its not like Hopper voluntarily had his eye gouged out so that in the dream perrin would be free, no, it seems mopre like these are both unfortunate circumstances, and ravens just prefer attacking eyes because they are weak, and the eyes are vulnerable, and that Tel'Aran'Rhiod merely shows hopper's eye missing, because it is really missing in the outside world.

And as for Mat, we know Aginor and Balthamel used him to track the group to the Eye, but this is explained by

Mat's carrying of the dagger which Moiraine explains is a beacon for the Dark, including some darkfriends, ie.

Padan Fain, and prolly Lasy Shiaine who i believe to be the woman in silks who attacks them in the barn.

It would seem obvious that the Forsaken themselves or through someone else could find the Mat and the dagger.

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Traveller: 2005-08-25

In reply to Jahar Narishma, if the eye thing was to do with Odin giving up his eye for knowledge, doesn't that compare nicely to Mat giving up his eye for answers from the Finns?

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JakOShadows: 2005-08-26

Traveller: I do see the parallel, but RJ has said he likes to put a little twist on the parallels to myths in the series. So unless you can find better evidence than the darkfriends could track in tEotW and the vision of Egwene's, I find it hard to believe your theory. I do think something figuratively could definitely come out of it, but I don't see him losing or taking out his eye to get into the tower of genji.

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Rego the bard: 2005-08-29

The comparing Mat with Odin can be based on many factors, not only on the his giving up his eye for something.

First of all, Odin was the god of warlords and battlecommander - and Mat has the knowledge of a warleader. Odin gathered fallen heroes, Einherjors, for Ragnarok - Mat does the same for the Tarmon Gaidon, but he gathers live warriors as well.

Secondary, Odin payed for this knowledge not only by giving his eye (IIRC, right one, while Mat will give left one), but by hanging on the Yggdrasil, the Tree of Life, on his own spear - just like Mat had done. The ashandarey becomes his weapon of choice, as the Gungnir did for Odin.

Third - Odin was constantly followed by ravens and wolves - well, wolves are Perrin's friends, but ravens don't leave Mat alone, espec. paying attention on that they are engraved on his medallion.

So, it looks like that Mat will be (was) known as Odin the Allfather in the Age long gone, in the Age that hasn't come yet, in the Age which is called _Ours_ (Just like Artur Hawking is known as king Arthur and Rand al'Tor is known as Asa Thor)...

P.S.: please excuse my grammar/orphography and possible name misspelling, since neither English is my native language, nor I have read WoT in it.

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JakOShadows: 2005-08-29

Rego: I like the research on Odin. It makes sense now that you say that. I really hope he doesn't lose his eye though. It would be ashame. I wonder if there's a way the fireworks thing could be related to it. It has been mentioned that the eye thing is related to the fireworks. I'll do some research on the internet.

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oegunal: 2005-08-30

Good theory. I like it.

In response to some of the doubts that people have:

1) It's likely that the medallion protects Mat from the eye-spy infiltration. However, only so long as he wears it.

2) It's possible to expand this theory with the following: perhaps when it comes time for Mat to talk with the *finn again, one of the bargaining chips will be the medaillion. Perhaps one of the conditions of any deal he makes will be for him to give-up the medallion... However, afterwards -- perhaps during the meeting -- his eye-spy vulnerability will also be revealed and thus he would have *no choice* but to give-up "half the light of the world" to keep himself from betraying himself (and betraying Rand). It may even be that he himself undertakes to remove his own eye... the *finn deal leaving him little choice: "loose an eye" or "betray the greater cause".

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Grummush: 2005-09-04

The main problem I have with most of this train of thought comes from this comment:

*Also, ravens are often used by the Dark one to see through their eyes, so is there a more appropriate creature to take the boys' eyes?*

The problem is that the DO can't see through a raven's eyes, or at least that's the general belief presented in the books. From tDR:

"Does it have to report," Perrin said softly, "or does... he... see what it sees?" ... [from Ragan] "It has to report. Too a Halfman, usually." ... "Light, if Heartsbane saw what the ravens saw, we would all have been dead before we reached the mountains."

While this random Shienaran could be wrong, I doubt it, because there wouldn't be much point in killing ravens if they did have a "real-time feed" to someone. When the book references ravens being the "eyes" of the DO, it seems more like a spy reporting back, not a direct viewing.

Knowing this, it would be helpful to know how the ravens actually DO report to Myrddraal or Forsaken or DF (I'm assuming they are the "others" mentioned). I suppose it is possible that the raven's record what they see, and someone on the DO's side can some how retrieve it. If that was the case, then Mat could be recording all day, then when he sleeps this info could be taken (though he's protected now by the medallion). But I really doubt it, since it seems the raven needs to actually fly back to report.

Based on this, I don't think anyone can actually "see" through somebody's eyes, simply because there's no proof or example of it in the books that really shows it can happen. Am I wrong here? It's been a while since I read the last 4 books so my memory might be rusty.

Also, the Morridin comment about "spies everywhere, some not knowing" could simply mean he has a high level spy among the Seanchan, in the Tower or where ever and they're using people who don't know which side thier boss is on.

I DO like the idea that comes out of the widely believed fact that Aginor supposedly followed the dagger but none of the Forsaken can track down Padan Fain to take him out. I never thought about that before but it does seem really odd when you throw it out there. Probably deserves it's own thread.

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Aelfinn: 2005-09-15

oegunel:

**2) It's possible to expand this theory with the following: perhaps when it comes time for Mat to talk with the *finn again, one of the bargaining chips will be the medaillion. Perhaps one of the conditions of any deal he makes will be for him to give-up the medallion... However, afterwards -- perhaps during the meeting -- his eye-spy vulnerability will also be revealed and thus he would have *no choice* but to give-up "half the light of the world" to keep himself from betraying himself (and betraying Rand). It may even be that he himself undertakes to remove his own eye... the *finn deal leaving him little choice: "loose an eye" or "betray the greater cause". **

Very interesting; I agree.

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Dumai Wells: 2005-09-24

This theory makes perfect sense to me. While mat is protected by the medallion, him giving up his eye to help save moiraine is a definate! I'll put money on it(in true mat fashion)...good stuff travellor

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DaisharMalkier: 2005-09-24

This theory is excellent. I think though that mat would end up giving his inner eye, the one that looks into the dream world, the one infested by the dark one. The reprecussions of it are unknowable, but your theory makes as much sense as mine.

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oldmanfish: 2005-09-24

One of those times where a detail of the book is expanded into this huge theory, with no basis in the book. Like a "What if" comic. Where did we ever see anything about the Dark One or the Forsaken looking through Mat's eye? The same for the Perrin and Hopper bit. There is nothing like this in the books! Sorry!

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jibbin: 2005-10-07

Ok, well all know mats gonna give up half the light of the world (from the finns).

On an related note we also know hes gonna lose an eye (from Egwenes dreams). Now i dont know about you but if you have no eyes, the world is dark, correct? well half the light of the world points to mat's eye going bye bye.

>Unrelated Note: Rand first channels when escaping the two rivers, it describes the feelings Rand has later while channeling while he's urging Bela to run faster

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High Lord Calvin: 2005-11-06

I always thought somehow that giving up half the light of the world would refer to banishing magic from the world as we all know Mat would do it if he could. The idea that giving up one eye is equivalent to giving up half the world's light strikes me as very self-centered but... I cannot think of any better explanation myself. I don't like the idea of Mat being forced to give up the medallion for anything or of anyone spying through his eye, but it does sound like a very neat bit of story. *If* his eye did provide live-feed I think only Moridin would receive it and then he would use it in some deep strategy or other. He has expressed an interest in Mat's death, but just cuz you can see through someone's eye does not mean you know where in the world they are.

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JakOShadows: 2005-11-07

You can't "banish" magic(the OP) from the world though. It's what turns the wheel of time, so that would be stopping the wheel which only the creator could do. Otherwise, the one power would still be there. Not to mention, we already know he's going to lose an eye. Egwene's dreams are fairly specific. So that's why we're fairly sure that's what it is.

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Callandor: 2005-11-07

**Not to mention, we already know he's going to lose an eye. Egwene's dreams are fairly specific. So that's why we're fairly sure that's what it is.**

We don't know. We have a strong idea and it certainly seems to be leaning that way. But, based on Egwene's dreams, we can't say it will happen. They're possibilities not knowns.

Min's viewing of Mat with an "eye on a balance scale" is a much more clear known, however ;).

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Traveller: 2006-01-09

Here is a quote from when Rand, Mat and Perrin admit to Moiraine about their dreams:

" Their are limits to the Dark One's power inside you. yield even for an instant and he will have a string tied to your heart, a string you may never be able to cut. Surrender, and you will be his. Deny him, and his power fails. It is not easy when he touches your dreams, but it can be done..." ... "I don't want him inside my head again," Mat growled..."

Again, this shows that Mat has had Ba'alzamon in his head, and as Moiraine says, once he has a hold on you, you might never break it. Perrin and rand broke it with protection from wolves and saidin, but Mat had no protection for a long time, perhaps making the DO's hold on him stronger. It is possible that even now, his medallion is not enough to prevent the DO using his sight somehow.

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ReDragon: 2007-03-24

Also in I think TSR, mats medallion is described as having one eye closed, the left one I believe, so I also think that mat will lose this eye, as the medallion was given by the finns, and their view of the future is prophetic.

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Terez1: 2007-03-24

ReDragon, it's not that the eye is closed - the medallion shows the head from the side, so that only one eye is visible.

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ReDragon: 2007-10-06

Terez... AHHHHHHHHH!!!!

What can I say, I looked and looked, and I can't find the quote where I thought it had both eyes, one closed, maybe the fact that the eye is shaded in the AS symbol threw me off course, or maybe I read somewhere that the medallion's profile is facing left and therfore the left eye is the one that we see thats shaded, maybe that's what got me.

I dunno? Opps :)

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striker: 2007-10-11

I do agree that Mat will lose his eye saving Moiraine, and that it is something he will do by choice. However, in regard to the DO seeing through his eyes, as far as I am aware, the only confirmed instance in the books of someone seeing through another's eyes, is Mat himself seeing through the eyes of other men. He himself has reasoned out that, as he can remember dying as those men, that the finn somehow recorded these other mens lives through their eyes, long after those men had leaft the realms of the finn. I believe Mat will pull out his own eye so that the finn will not be able to watch through it to see him coming to rescue Moiraine.

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Spear Dancer: 2007-10-13

This might just be me, but I think that Mat would be protected by the Taint from the Dagger.

It's evil, but it's set against the evil of the Dark One. I don't think that he would be usable as a spy while he was under the influence of the Dagger. That would protect him till somewhere in TSR, I believe, and once he gets the medallion, he's protected by it. I'd have to look in between and see what happens.

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Dicetime: 2007-11-07

I'd agree that the dagger would protect Mat from any type of the interference on the dark one side because the Shadar Logoth taint from the wound in Rand's side is constantly fighting the dark one; but the medallion after the dagger is stripped for him?

The medallion only gives protection against flows of the one power on him,maybe the true power too, so the protection wouldnt apply because the act of accepting the wine (if he did or didnt) isnt an act of the one power but just his act, totally unrelated to the power and the protection the medallion provides