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Tamyrlin: 2004-07-12
(Frenzy for Tamyrlin)
The current contenders for the position of the Golden Hawk are Tuon and Berelain, as both have been represented by a Hawk before. The Seanchan is a more likely possibility, according to your theory. Especially if a Seanchan attack that everyone is predicting comes to pass. And when you consider Egwene's history with the Seanchan, and the literal translation of 'tied together,' things could get very messy for Egwene in a hurry.
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snakes-n-foxes: 2004-07-12
Just a wild guess, but the golden hawk could well be Beldeine.
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Callandor: 2004-07-13
Seanchan:
**TITLE: Eye of the World
CHAPTER: GLOSSARY
Hawkwing, Artur: A legendary king who united all the lands west of the Spine of the World, as well as some lands beyond the Aiel Waste. He even sent armies across the Aryth Ocean, but all contact with these was lost at his death, which set off the War of the Hundred Years. *His sign was a golden hawk in flight.* See also War of the Hundred Years.**
**TITLE: Great Hunt
CHAPTER: 29 - Seanchan
They reached the top of the incline, where the town gave way to hills. There was no town wall. Ahead were the inns that served merchants who traded inland, and wagon yards and stables. Here, the houses would have made respectable manors for the minor lords in Illian. *The largest of them had an honor guard of Seanchan soldiers out front, and a blue-edged banner bearing a golden, spread-winged hawk rippling above it.* Egeanin surrendered her sword and dagger before taking Domon inside. Her two soldiers remained in the street. Domon began to sweat. He smelled a lord in this; it was never good to do business with a lord on the lord's own ground.**
**TITLE: Great Hunt
CHAPTER: GLOSSARY
Mondwin, Luthair Paendrag (LEW-thair PAY-ehn-DRAG MONdwihn): Son of Artur Hawkwing, he commanded the armies Hawkwing sent across the Aryth Ocean. *His banner was a golden, spreadwinged hawk clutching lightning bolts.* See also Hawkwing, Artur.**
**BWB: Page 157
CHAPTER: 17 - Seanchan
Sidebar (the information is on the side of the page ;))
The Seanchan Imperial Sigil is a golden hawk in flight, clutching three lightning bolts in its claws. The Imperial Banner is a wide border of royal blue around a white box inside which a golden hawk in flight clutches three lightning bolts in its claws. If the Empress (or Emperor) is present, it is fringed in gold; if the heir to the throne is present, it is fringed in blue.
This is the same banner Hawkwing's son, Luthair Paendrag, carried in his conquest of Seanchan. It has remained unchanged since his victory.**
~Mutters~ I suppose, I have to give some evidence for that tramp Berelain:
**TITLE: Dragon Reborn
CHAPTER: 56 - People of the Dragon
One of the tall, paired doors pushed open while he was trying to think of something to say, and a tall young woman of regal bearing entered the room, *wearing a coronet with a golden hawk in flight above her brows.* Her black hair swept to pale shoulders, and her dress of the finest red silk left those shoulders bare, along with a considerable expanse of what Mat noted as an admirable bosom. For a moment she studied Rhuarc interestedly with large, dark eyes; then she turned them on the women at the table, coolly imperious. Mat she appeared to ignore completely.**
**TITLE: Lord of Chaos
CHAPTER: 17 - The Wheel of a Life
The two came to meet Rand alone in one of the colonnades, without entourage, which only made him feel as though he was leading a parade himself. Rhuarc in his cadin'sor, gray streaking his dark red hair, towered over Berelain, a pale, beautiful young woman in a blue and white dress cut low enough to make Rand clear his throat when she curtsied. Shoufa looped loosely around his neck, Rhuarc carried no weapon but a heavy Aiel knife. *She wore the Diadem of the First, a golden hawk in flight, in shining black hair that made waves to bare shoulders.***
**TITLE: Lord of Chaos
CHAPTER: GLOSSARY
Mayene (may-EHN): City-state on the Sea of Storms, hemmed in and historically oppressed by Tear. The ruler of Mayene is styled the First, which was once the First Lord or Lady; Firsts claim to be descendants of Artur Hawkwing. The title of Second, once held by a single lord or lady, has in the last four hundred years or so been held by as many as nine at once. *The banner of Mayene is a golden hawk in flight on a field of blue.***
Egwene's dream:
**TITLE: Crown of Swords
CHAPTER: 10 - Unseen Eyes
*A golden hawk stretched out its wing and touched her, and she and the hawk were tied together somehow; all she knew was that the hawk was female.* A man lay dying in a narrow bed, and it was important he not die, yet outside a funeral pyre was being built, and voices raised songs of joy and sadness. A dark young man held an object in his hand that shone so brightly she could not see what it was.**
Another dream seems linked with this:
**TITLE: Crossroads of Twilight
CHAPTER: 20 - In the Night
Suddenly a woman appeared, clambering down the sheer side of the cliff out of the clouds, making her way as deftly as if she were walking down stairs. There was a sword strapped to her back. Her face wavered, never settling clearly, but the sword seemed as solid as the stone. The woman reached Egwene's level and held out one hand. "We can reach the top together," she said in a familiar drawling accent.**
If they are linked, Berelain is out of the picture.
Most likely, it is then Tuon, however, she has, not my knowledge, never carried a sword, and the sword seemed the most important image of Egwene's dream.
So then Egeanin becomes a canidate.
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talera: 2004-07-13
In support of Tuon being the hawk that is tied to Egwene: Egwene's dream of being saved by a Seanchan; and I have a sneaking suspicion that Tuon's status as a sul'dam is very important, especially when you consider that Tuon knows the truth of what sul'dam really are. However, the only flaw is Berelain has already been shown to be the Hawk in Min's viewings concerning Perrin...
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brother of Battles: 2004-07-13
I will have to agree with frenzy. I want to lean more towards the Sanchean being the golden hawk. Plus, that kinda fallows along the same path as the dream Egwene had about the Ravens attacking the flame. And the one about AS all lined up to be collered. But that is just my opinion.
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danger: 2004-07-13
Just bringing a few of your ideas together. Egwene is likely being held in the tower now, and the Seanchan will attack it. What if for some reason Toun took some special interest in Egwene and put an Adam on her?
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mako0424: 2004-07-13
i too wonder who the hawk is, up until now i was pretty sure it would be Berelain, to replace the Falcon (faile) when she dies. but if the hawk is also tied in with Egfwene, it makes alot more sense for it to be Tuon, considering the Seanchan are about to attack, and Tuon can channel. i just dont know, and we will have to read and find out.
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snakes-n-foxes: 2004-07-13
Well, if the Golden Hawk is the seanchan, then Egwene has already been tied to them (all new damane being the property of the Empress)
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Callandor: 2004-07-13
**and I have a sneaking suspicion that Tuon's status as a sul'dam is very important, especially when you consider that Tuon knows the truth of what sul'dam really are.**
Tuon's status as the heir to the throne might be a little bit more important, then being a sul'dam ;)
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Jes: 2004-07-14
Although I believe the hawk represents Egeanin, a question just occured to me -- what is the Seanchan penalty for an escaped Damane? That's what Egwene is to them if they take control of the tower, and I imagine they make a pretty harsh example of a Damane who has tried to escape. Probably death, and maybe a horrible one at that. Does anyone remember if the penalty was mentioned in the earlier books?
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Aelfinn: 2004-07-15
**Although I believe the hawk represents Egeanin, a question just occured to me -- what is the Seanchan penalty for an escaped Damane? That's what Egwene is to them if they take control of the tower, and I imagine they make a pretty harsh example of a Damane who has tried to escape. Probably death, and maybe a horrible one at that. Does anyone remember if the penalty was mentioned in the earlier books? **
I don't think any damane's actually escaped; after all, Egwene only managed it because she had friends who didn't think of her as a "thing", but as Egwene. The Seanchan damane might think about escape in the beginning, but in the eyes of everyone else, they're just animals that need to be leashed. They can't move without someone (I know who it must be, but in interest of brevity...) in the bracelet, and when someone's in it they're pretty much in control.
I think there's no penalty for escaped damane because there WERE no escaped damane. Until those idiot Seanchan came to this side of the ocean, that is.
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brother of Battles: 2004-07-16
Also, if a damane were to escape and they did have laws, I still don't think it would be death. They are always saying they never have enough of them, so I don't think they are going to just throw a very strong channeler away. However, if the law does exist, it will be extremly harsh and painful and will last a very long time.
Just like the Aiel. They don't kill people who escape, they make them wish the thought never crossed their mind.
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Callandor: 2004-07-16
Damane are too vital to be killed. Their hands may be cut off, or their tongues, as punishment, but not killed.
Plus, most damane, once freed of the a'dam, will go right back to the sul'dam to be re-collared.
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Tristin: 2005-06-10
Thom has definitely got to be involved in the rescue of Egwene along with a Seanchan woman. I stand by my prediction that Moiraine will unite the two broken factions after being rescued by a joint Thom/AS operation. The only reason to keep her in for so long, but at the same time keep her out of the action, is to give her a HUGE role that requires her not being in one of the AS factions already at war. I definitely like the Hawk = Hawking's relatives thing.
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JakOShadows: 2005-06-10
Tristin: That's an interesting thought there. And to me it makes sense to some degree. But they're going to have to move fast to free Moraine, get to the tower, and then have the Seanchan attack. But it does seem logical to me.
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Anubis: 2005-06-10
Actually the whole hands cutting off and tounges pulled out was considered to be barbaric and repugnant by Tuon. The suldam have better ways to punish Dammae.
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Tristin: 2005-06-10
repugnant only because it showed a weakness on the part of the sul'dam...that she is such a sh**** trainer that she can't actually get a damane to behave any other way.
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Kender: 2005-07-28
I must say I like whole it'll be a seanchen that save Egwene idea but I don't think it'll be Tuon. If the Seanchen attack the White Tower, which it looks like they will that will be the last place Tuon will be. She's still riding off someone with Mat whether she likes it or not. She does believe the forseeing and all. So I'm thinking it'll will have to be someone with some sort of past experience with the Randland group. I also like the idea that Egwene will be collared again, but that narrows down the list of people who have had past experience with them considerably. Hmmmm....
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Simarilius-Grey: 2005-07-28
~Mutters~ I suppose, I have to give some evidence for that tramp Berelain:
I remember reading another theory somewhere where it is a common thought that Berelain herself is able to channel. Perhaps Egwene and Berelain will somehow be 'tied together' through an a'dam.
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Richard: 2005-07-29
I am with Callandor on this one. It will be Eaganin. She is with Tom right now, and she certainly can carry a sword. And if the seanchan catch her she certainly would be tied somewhere...
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Traveller: 2005-07-30
I really like the idea that it is Egeanin- but there is one thing else that I thought (just try and follow me on this one):
1. Galad fancied/fancies egwene and Jordan is likely to make them meet again so they can have a scene.
2. Berelain is meant to fall for a man in white- personally I have always thought that this would be Galad.
3. Berelain is symbolised by a golden hawk.
4. Egwene is linked to a woman who is shown as a golden hawk.
I know that this is all obscure, but how about all three of them meet at one point (probably not all at the same time) and Egwene and Galad decide they don't fancy each other any more, Berelain and Galad fall fo each other, and Egwene and Berelain spend some quality time together and get a connection.
Overall, even though I think that Egeanin and Berelain and Tuon all could be the golden hawk, I think that it will be Tuon.
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FraKcture: 2005-11-10
WARNING: Knife of Dreams Spoilers
Just thought I'd kick up some dirt on this theory / topic now that we are post-KOD. (I don't think anyone will argue at this point that Egwene's ACOS dream ties her with Elaida.)
The front-runners remain Tuon, Berelain, and Egeanin.
Tuon is back with Seanchan HQ. The Seanchan are readying to attack the White Tower.
Berelain is with Perrin & company. Quite a ways from the White Tower, although they do have plenty of channelers that could Travel them to the WT. But why? I don't see any reason for Berelain and Egwene to be meeting anytime soon. (But who can say? There could be a big family reunion in the last book sometime before the LB, so they may hook up.)
Egeanin will be with Doman, who must lead Mat to the tower of Ghenji. Once Moiraine is rescued, anything could happen. Moiraine may want to get to the WT asap. (Mat probably needs to retrieve the horn of Valere from there before the LB too.) If Egeanin stays with Mat, there's a chance that she will meet up with Egwene then.
Mat going to the WT could also lend support to Tuon being the answer, though. If Egwene is captured when the Seanchan attack, she will likely need someone's help to get free. If Mat and Tuon are both there, then Mat, as prince of the ravens, can order things as he wishes. (Well I suppose he must convince Tuon.) Without Tuon there, Mat's authority with the Seanchan may not be recognized yet. To me, Tuon still seems to be the most likely answer. But Egeanin still deserves consideration. I tend to discount Berelain at this time. Does anyone see any concrete evidence for an answer?
