uroth, Semirhage, and Liandrin
by Tigraine: 2003-01-23 | Not yet rated
With the end of Crossroads of Twilight leaving us hanging on a message from Suroth asking Rand to meet with the "Daughter of the Nine Moons," I've come to the conclusion that this is all an elaborate trap to gain mastery over the Dragon Reborn.
Let's look at what we know about these three first, and see what connections can be established.
Suroth is Darkfriend High Lady, although only we seem to know that. It is likely that she led the Return by decree of one of the Chosen, probably Semirhage. She was last seen in Ebou Dar speaking with a Seeker for Truth about the disappearance of the Daughter of the Nine Moons, Tuon.
Semirhage, who I and most others seem to believe is Anath, rose to power quickly in Seanchan, replacing Tuon's last so'jihn after an "unfortunate accident". Her description and mannerisms match Semirhages. After Tuon's disappearance, Suroth muses that Selucia also disappeared... and Anath had went into seclusion. If Suroth is under the command of Semirhage, she obviously doesn't know that Semirhage is also Anath. (Does Semirhage appear to Suroth in Illusion too, perhaps?)
Finally, we have Liandrin, who was chased out of both Tear and Tarabon by the Thrilling Threesome (Nynaeve, Elayne, and Egwene). After her failures, she was Compulsed by Moghedien after an uprising and her will broken by Temaile. When the Seanchan overtook Amadicia, she was taken as a da'covale by Suroth, who happened to remember her during Egwene's kidnapping in the Great Hunt.
With all of that in mind, we now have the situation that Rand is in. He is to meet with Suroth, but she wants him to also meet the "Daughter of the Nine Moons." Now, I highly doubt that Tuon managed to get captured at the end of the book after all that Mat had done to keep her safe, so I think that Suroth is putting up false figureheads to lure Rand to her. When Rand goes to meet the pair, he will most likely find Suroth with the male a'dam or an all out One Power attack.
However, what if Suroth has to use someone as the Daughter of the Nine Moons to convince him to meet? Both Semanath and Liandrin are with her, and both women would work for the task. Liandrin -was- shielded with a knot so intricate that ... "only one of the Forsaken could undo it". Now, isn't it ironic that she's under Suroth and alternately Semirhage? Perhaps it wasn't so hard for her to get unshielded after all.
Finally, my theory is that when Rand meets with the Daughter of the Nine Moons, either he or someone with him (Nynaeve, I hope!) might recognize Liandrin as a simple da'covale, and link her to Suroth as a Darkfriend. BUT... not before he is leashed by Semanath, who is posing as the Daughter of the Nine Moons inconspicuously. There, he will be made to literally kneel by the Chosen to her will, and thusly to the "will of the Throne" as she is technically the Daughter of the Nine Moons to those present (ironic, eh?). Therefore, we fulfill Rand's kneeling to the Crystal Throne, the portents of the male a'dam, and one other theory that I will tack on here. The nine impossible tasks Foretold by Nicola.
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Tamyrlin: 2003-01-23
At first I thought you were just mentioning that the Suroth thing was a trap...which is obvious as you pointed out. But the idea you have beyond that is what is compelling. Semanath could pretend, and Nynaeve would definitely recognize Liandrin (and so might Rand from TEoTW). I wonder if that will tip his hand that it is a trap. Even if it does, this is definitely where the collar would come into play if it ever will. Nice job at detailing out what might be some possible outcomes of Rand's meeting with Suroth.
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WinespringBrother: 2003-01-23
This brings up a little pet peeve of mine, regarding the poor communication among everyone, especially the Emond Fielders.
Nynaeve was there when Egwene was taken as damane by Suroth's forces, in TGH, and got a very clear glance at Suroth, reclining on a palanquin. Also, Liandrin, standing next to Nynaeve, bowed to Suroth, saying "The High Lady Suroth". Liandrin put her hand on Nyn's shoulder as she told Suroth that Nyn and Egwene were the "two of whom you were told."
Nynaeve clearly knows that Liandrin is black ajah - Siuan sent her to hunt them shortly thereafter. It wouldn't be a great leap for her to conclude that Suroth is a darkfriend also, or at least full of bad intentions at the very least.
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Elder Haman: 2003-01-24
But does Nynaeve, Egwene or Elayne know that Suroth is in charge of the Seanchan now? Mat knows, but he found out after Nynaeve and Elayne left, and he hasn't talked to anyone since. Perrin knows, but he only remebers vaugely that Nynaeve didn't like Suroth. The Edmond Fielders have alot of knowledge, but none of them has all the knowledge, so they don't know what's useful or important enough to share.
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silverwolf: 2003-01-25
Also, Nynaeve, Elayne, and Egwene haven't been sharing their information with each other even when it is possible. I bet that all three of them knows that Suroth is a darkfriend, but each is so caught up in her work that she wouldn't think of mentioning it to Rand. Remember, it's been 1 or 2 years since they last saw Suroth.
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WinespringBrother: 2003-01-26
At the end of COT (as well as through most of WH), Nynaeve has been with Rand. Unless Rand has totally kept her out of the loop, she should know about the note signed by Suroth, and at least mention to him what transpired the last time they met, and that a known darkfriend, Liandrin, was involved, as well as a plot to kidnap Egwene and Nynaeve and ship them across the ocean.
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Logain: 2003-02-10
Probably a bit of a tangent, but a severed hand has been associated with Rand. I agree he's probably going to get collared, so perhaps this severed hand comes from Rand chopping off the hand of the person holding the leash. Now I know that being leashed means you can't pick up anything that you could even associate as being a weapon, but would that apply only to Rand or would LTT be able to take over for a bit and do the chopping? Or this third bloke locked in there too? Would they have those restrictions on their will too or would the a'dam be focused only on Rand? Or am I spouting BS?
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Callandor: 2003-02-11
If the sad braclets work in anyway like the Adam, then if you chopped off the persons hand you would most likely take off Rands arm or something. Remember Ewgene punched her control and her entire FACE got bruised.
Plus if you chopped off the hand then the controller part would be on the floor or wherever and Rand couldnt move it at all. Egwene tried to do this before and she threw up like crazy and she had trouble moving afterwards.
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Anubis: 2003-02-19
question. does it feel like her entire face gets bruised, or does it actually get bruised? I recall nynaeve saying to moggy that whatever bracelet girl feels, collar girl feels tenfold, and thinking that it was well that moggy believed cause it was true. i dont think there is any actual injury, just intense ammounts of pain, and rand seems pretty good at enduring pain. the problem he would have would be with hurting the women that hold the leashes.
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Callandor: 2003-02-26
I seem to remember Egwene getting a bruise there but could be mistaken.
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Rand alThor: 2003-02-28
anubis is right, let's say rand gets collared and he can resist pain, accept it like the aiel, he might resist it long enough to hurt or even kill the girls that holds him. But will he dare to try to hurt a girl, he always says he would cut his own arm off before seeing a girl get hurt. will he kill her??
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silverwolf: 2003-03-15
Since the a'dam works kind of like a shield when the sul'dam doesn't want the damane to channel, I think that it would control LTT as well as Rand. In LoC, LTT was shielded from the source along with Rand, even though only one shield covered them. Also, LTT has to use Rand's body to be able to affect the real world, and Rand's body would definitely be held by the collar.
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Anubis: 2003-04-07
no no no. the a'dan is an involuntary ring or link. recall that wneh linked, if the one in controll of the link doesnt want the other to channel then the other doesnt. exactly like the a'dan. when it is hanging on a peg, no one is in controll, thus there is no channeling. the link is still there. there is no shielding involved.
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Callandor: 2003-04-09
They dont really command them not to channel. Its just if they do channel when they arent supposed to, they get a very nasty surprise.
Remember when Egwene was trying to escape with the Power in TGH. She would through up whenever she took the Source. But she wasnt shielded or anything like that. She was just punished by the adam for channeling.
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Shadow Bane: 2003-06-23
Anybody think Rand and Mat might meet soon? I do and when Rand finds out he will be totally pissed so he will charge in on Suroth and get caught.
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joebball1212: 2005-06-28
Maybe this is where Logains foretold glory will come from? Perhaps he will save Rand al'Thor the Dragon Reborn from the control of the shadow, and thus save the world? We all know Logain is with Rand just before Rand goes to meet Suroth so...