arine
by a dragonburned fool: 2005-06-13 | 4 out of 10 (8 votes)
After the disaster at the message board I wanted to post here some theories, that I posted previously in the forums and that were lost there.
When Perrin asks Moiraine about the meaning of the name Zarine, Moiraine explains that a mother will give her daughter such name only if she is sure this daughter will become sensational court beauty, who devotes her life to break the hearts of everybody. Most often specific types of fatal beauty are derived from names of heroines of famous legends or poetry (e.g. Isolde, Juliet). It's quite likely that for the Saldaean culture "Zarine" meant something very similar to the "la belle dame sans merci" for 12-17th century Europe.
Faile is known to dislike the image of "Zarine" - her given name, she hates to be called "Zarine", she is even ashamed of it. But she is not completely free from the "Zarine" ingredient in her complex character. "Zarine" is the name her mother insisted on, i.e. Deira Bashere wants to see "Zarine" in her daughter and has worked to that end. Faile prefers her father's influence ("Faile" was how he called her sometimes when she was a child), she has even struggled against her mother, but she is still dependent of her in some crucial things. Especially she is dependent on her mother for her beliefs of how the ideal married woman ought to behave. Faile explicitly thinks that her mother is a master in the art of being a Saldaean wife, and that she has to learn more from her how to do her own role in the best way. Deira is the supreme authority on, and the high standard of, the art-of-being-wife. And Deira the ideal Saldaean Wife, is fond of the "Zarine" archetype and wants her daughter be associated with it. The conclusion from both these facts is, that Faile will apply some Zarine-traits in her marriage policy, and that she even will do it consciously despite of all her unwillingness to be a "Zarine". It is significant that Faile, who always disliked to be called Zarine and insisted on calling herself Faile, one single time completely willingly and without a visible need called herself "Zarine": when vowing her marriage vow. After Perrin in his vow called her "Faile", she said in her vow "I Zarine Bashere..." I.e. she consciously enters the marriage as a "Zarine".
Faile, when becoming a huntress (i.e. leaving her Zarine-past behind) promised to herself never to touch a fan again. Fan-language was part of Saldaean aristocratic court behaviour and especially stresses signs that are to be given to men. I.e. the fan is the main woman's attribute in Saldaean gallantry, in the high art of poetical aristocratic flirting. As "Zarine" is described as a court beauty, she would definitely be associated with fans.
Another thing Faile shows an ambivalent and emotionally overloaded reaction about, is the sa-sara. When she said, she will dance the sa-sara for Perrin, she was in a short fit of jealousy, and in that moment she was prepared to use anthing to out-trump all other women in the world. But later she denied ever having mentioned the sa-sara, to say nothing about dancing it, and IIRC Perrin noticed in her a regret of saying that about the sa-sara, even with some nuance of being ashamed. Maybe the fact, that the sa'sara is forbidden in Saldea, especially by Saldaean queens as a factor in rebellions (having in mind that Faile herself is a heir of the Saldaean throne, i.e. her relation to the sa'sara is very meaningful for Saldaean inner politics), and that the sa'sara is known to be a really unbridled kind of dance, would be enough to explain Faile's displeasure. Maybe. But I would not expect that Faile would be so shy on this particular point, since she could remain a sa'sara denier in her public appearance and have the sa'sara in her intimate life, together with the Saldaean farm-girl stuff. But if the sa'sara is also an attribute of Zarine, this will explain Faile's dislike to have anything common with it.
Moiraine's explanation describes the legendary Zarine as a typical femme fatale. Furthermore, Moiraine's explanation (and Faile's expectation that Perrin could know what Zarine means) is an indication, that this Zarine was a famous femme fatale (historical or legendary - no matter what). Sa'sara dancers are known to be Saldaea's famous standard for a femme fatale. Sa'sara dancers caused riots and revolts in the past and it is apparently for this reason that the sa'sara is now illegal in Saldaea. This makes it very possible that the legendary Zarine was a famous (maybe the most famous) sa'sara dancer, who was also subtle enough to behave like a perfect Saldaean aristocrat, with all the references to fans, arts and politics, and influenced many mighty noblemen and that the story involving her most possibly had an impressive tragic end. If this Zarine manifested some high-poetical romantic motivation and not just plain egoism, she could remain an ideal character despite the negative consequences she caused.
But this Zarine was definitely connected with a tragic end. At least for the ones who were in love with her. Sa'sara dancers were known primarily for causing great troubles. Their immense influence meant that they caused men to do foolish things, and this silliness had devastating social consequences (rebellion and riots). The dancers' reputations are closer to the famous ancient hetaeras than to noble ladies. In order to cause riots using mainly an ‘entertainer's' position, these dancers broke social and matrimonial bonds rather than used them. The illegality of the sa'sara means that in Saldea it's associated with doom. But even if the legendary Zarine was not a sa'sara dancer, she was associated with seduction, bond-breaking and doom, and not with happy marriages and long blood-lines. Moiraine's description of the palace beauty who breaks many hearts, doesn't indicate the good wife type. Also Moiraine said, that only a mother who is sure that her daughter will fit in the requirements of the name, will dare to name her daughter so. That means that the name is not appropriate for any woman, that it is not convenient to have such a name, and that it manifests rather an extravagant taste of the mother, with some nuance of a challenge, a somewhat scandalous name.
Why would Deira, the expert about happy Saldaean marriage, insist on giving her first-born daughter (and possible heir to the Saldaean throne) a name that is associated rather with doomed love and broken marriages? Because according to Deira's standards of good marriage the wife must be really a great challenge for the ideal husband, so that only the best man would be able to cope with her. It's something similar to the Aiel bride who fights fiercely against the man she chooses to be her husband, to let him know how serious it is to marry her. Deira wants for her daughter the highest possible standards for marriage and for that purpose the daughter must be the highest possible challenge. If "Zarine" is the legendary cliché of a dangerous woman that does with men what she wants and leads them to doom, having such a name will show that this woman will be very difficult to "tame" by her husband, and therefore she is to be considered as the highest standard of a wife. Deira wants actually to raise the criteria as high as possible.
When Perrin meets Deira, her efforts are to put it into Perrin's head how dangerous Faile is for his free will and future, how difficult it will be to tame Faile and how much is wanted from him for this purpose. Faile in this scene is demonstrating how well Perrin has coped with the task of the taming, whereas before Perrin entered the room, Faile practically proved to her mother how hard-to-be-tamed she is. Actually the whole scene of Deira meeting Faile and Perrin were Deira's serious attempt to judge how well the new couple fit the stereotypes and standards Deira was dreaming about, when she gave her daughter the name Zarine.
So, Faile was expected by her mother to develope some traits of the legendary femme fatale named Zarine, to have them as a real danger for her husband's (and her own) happiness, and so to give her husband the opportunity to counter this traits with his own strength and to neutralize them. Deira wanted her daughter to develop these unpleasant traits so that they would be defeated in the marriage. Faile herself was not so enthusiastic about her mother's scenario, actually Faile hated this scenario. But this was an important part of her education, and she has some residue of it in her character, and she definitely is partially accepting of it concerning the role she has to play in her marriage (again she did her marriage vow as "Zarine Bashere" ). So something of the matrimonial relations between Faile and Perrin will be afflicted by the "Zarine" archetype.
One of the influences of "Zarine", IMO, is the way Faile is fighting against Berelain. I mean not her actions against Berelain but her actions to Perrin, these periods of acting in a cold and unreachable manner after a short period of demonstratively ardent relations. Faile knows how to win Perrin's heart, so her actions, apparently not good for the purpose of persuading Perrin in anything, are caused by another model of behaviour. When she came across rival, this turned on some stereotypes in Faile's mind, on how a rival is to be fought. I would bet, that the legendary Zarine would first show how attractive she is, and then she would show how deadly unreachable she would be if the man will act not in the way she is expecting him to act. This is most commonly the stereotype of a femme fatale. Another problem here is that Berelain also fits the image of the femme fatale and she fits well. Actually Berelain is acting like the "Zarine" but without the culturally specific requirements (Berelain understands not the language of fans, she would not speak about music when planning a defence from Trollocs, and she cannot dance sa'sara), i.e. Berelain is a voluntary "Zarine" without the outer cultural brilliance of "Zarine" but having a different sort of brilliance, a "vulgar" kind of flash, i.e. everything Faile herself doesn't accept in "Zarine". Actually Berelain is playing according to her own cultural stereotypes of a femme fatale, with some style differences, but with the same core structure, and so Berelain's actions fit very well into the "Zarine" model, and Faile is reacting accordingly (Faile understands very well what Berelain wants, she recognizes the "Zarine" type of woman in her). So Faile is in a situation when her stereotype tells her to be a Zarine against another even more zarineish "Zarine".
Perrin is in the situation of having to fulfil the requirements of a bunch of stereotypes. Both Faile and Berelain are driving him into a trap of expectations. Faile wants him to show himself as the living ideal of Saldaean husband against a "Zarine"-challenge (what would be the possible solution of Berelain's stereotype is the subject of another theory). I don't know how this cliché can be broken by Perrin. But if he doesn't break it, Faile will only be encouraged to put more and more of her "Zarine" ingredient in play (fortunately she is not with Perrin now, but after her eventual rescue...). And "Zarine" is a figure that promises doom rather than good.
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Tamyrlin: 2005-06-26
I think the most interesting aspects are what the repercussions will be from a Zarine against a Zarine. We have been watching it play out, and it hasn't gone well. And, it is very possible that Faile and Berelain will lead Perrin to destruction, which could be implied from the actions Faile has taken and Berelain recently, having huge implications for Perrin. If Faile wasn't playing the Zarine, would she be in her current predicament?
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free will: 2005-06-27
I think in her vows she just used her legal name, to make the marriage official and valid, I'm not sure that reading anything more than that into it is wholely justified. Otherwise your theory seemed fine though I missed if you made any predictions.
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JakOShadows: 2005-06-27
a dragonburned fool: I like the ideas you bring up in here. I do believe that the way Faile does act could have a major impact in what Perrin does and the overall consequences could have an even bigger effect.
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red hand: 2005-06-27
i love this series, but does anyone else think that jordan has real issues with women?
perhaps it is hard for a man to describe a "strong" woman. as far as reading it goes, it basically boils down to who can be the bigger b****.
nynaeve i can take because she is b***** and touchy to a humorous degree to all around her. egwene's character is such a bitch that her pov is unreadable now. but that is nothing compared to faile. not only is she a drag to have to read but she has ruined one of the three main characters. perrin was a great read until they went to ghealdan. now he is a weiner married to a poser.
i would rather read about fain than faile.
we can only hope that faile dies soon and perrin can get back to action!!
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Ozymandias: 2005-06-27
I love both this theory and the one about Berelain and her fitting into the customs of Mayene. However, I'm curious as to your opinion on Faile-as-Zarine's actions towards Berelain. We hear from Min that her visions say that a hawk and a falcon come and settle on his shoulders and whatnot, and that Min thinks that Faile will tear Berelain apart. I'll find an exact quote later, but I think its in tDR. Anyways, is it Zarine that will battle the obviously Zarine-like Berelain, or is it the Faile persona? Because according to your cultural analysis, which I more or less fully agree with, the Zarine persona will not, and almost cannot, show herself to be involved in a fight over a man, as it is supposed to be men who fight over the Zarine-type woman. In fact, that would probably effectively destroy the Zarine persona as it violates what you intimate is the primary law of being a Zarine: make men want you. However, a Faile persona may not be strong or alluring enough to keep Perrin away from Berelain (or so she would think, because we know Perrin has no thought of betraying Faile). You imply that a Zarine mus fight a Zarine to gain Perrin, but wouldnt that effectively destroy Zarine (or at least the Faile-Zarine, not Berelain-Zarine) since it makes Zarine, the unattainable feminine sex symbol, be denigrated into a normal person squabbling over who gets the man?
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Mad Tinker: 2005-06-28
You know, Faile continues to get a bad rap. Sure, she's hot-headed and knows what she wants... big deal. It's Perrin's fault he mopes around for her, not Faile's. As for complaining, don't even get me started! If complaining and whining was a power, Mat would be the Ruler of All! (I still like his character, though...)
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red hand: 2005-06-28
to me that is the charm of the mat character. he is ultimate reluctant hero. he doesn't want anything to do with battles but he ends up in them. he doesn't want anything to do with aes sedai but he ends up risking his life multiple times to save them, with little or no appreciation.
my problem with faile in particular is that everything is a game or a test between her and perrin.
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Frenzy: 2005-06-28
aDBF, This theory sounds too much like you're trying to cram the facts into the mold of your thesis. Faile is a rebellious child, now granted that rebellion ~may~ be fueled by having a loaded name, but if she had a name without the baggage she'd still be who she is. A rose by any other name, and all that.
She said herself that she's the oldest surviving child, and had to take on duties normally associated with an elder son. She probably also has the duties associated with an elder daughter as well. Throw onto that being in the royal family, and having two strong parents like Davram & Deira, and you've got a very layered personality.
If you were to cram together the same theory, but replace Faile/Zarine with Min/Elmindreda, then it may be more credible.
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Cyberkil: 2005-06-28
Free Will: I agree that the main reason Faile said Zarine in the vows is to make it legal. If she meant it to be a warning to Perrin then she really misjudged him. He lacks the knowledge of any hsitorical Zarine to read anything into it.
Red Hand: The issues that Jordan might have aside, I understand the reasoning for the male/female roles and actions in the books. It stems from 3000 years of blaming male Aes Sedai for destroying the world and fear of a repeat with the taint still affecting male channelers. That colored all future male/female relations. The b****iness is a direct result of that 3000 year old female dominated standard being turned on it's head by Rand.
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Ozymandias: 2005-06-28
red hand, thank you for noticing something ive been thinking about for like 5 years now. Jordan does have a problem with women. With the exception of Min, almost every woman we meet in the series is 1.) evil (like Liandrin), 2.) manipulative (like Moiraine or Siuan), 3.) ignorant and b***** (Nynaeve, Egwene, Elayne, etc etc). And by that I mean they are always assuming the male characters have somehow wronged them or are being treated better than them. A good example is during one of the last nights in Rhuidean (I'm at work and cannot get quotes ASAP, please forgive me), Egwene says something to the effect of "I bet Rand is in a bedroom with a copper bathtub and tons of Maidens to serve his every whim," while she has to sit in the sweat tent. In truth, of course, Rand is busy fighting Darkhounds and freezing himself half to death from a lack of blankets. I definetly want to explore this further, so expect another rant about the women in RJ's world sometime soon.
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Taim is not Demandred: 2005-07-07
About the women in the Wheel, every woman we get povs from are powerful women. Even Egwene in the beginning is the mayors daughter and Nynaeve is the Wisdom. Then they become, or at least play at being Aes Sedai. Moiraine is Aes Sedai, Aviendha is a Maiden who becomes a wise one. Siuan and Leane were the pinnacle of Aes Sedai. Elayne is the Daughter Heir and Aes Sedai. Faile is heir to the throne of Saldaea and Lady of the Two Rivers. Other women such as Elaida and Liandrin have povs and are also in power. Most women we see povs from that aren't bitchy are in hubling circumstance, e.g. Morgase, Siuan. The only female we get povs from who is not in power of some kind is: Min. Perhaps this is something showing that power corrupts?
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a dragonburned fool: 2005-07-13
Frenzy:
***"This theory sounds too much like you're trying to cram the facts into the mold of your thesis. Faile is a rebellious child, now granted that rebellion ~may~ be fueled by having a loaded name, but if she had a name without the baggage she'd still be who she is."***
Yes, with another name she would be also what she is - a daughter of her mother. Deira Bashere was the one who insisted that the name of her daughter would be "Zarine", i.e. Deira Bashere had reasons to name her daughter so and Deira Bashere will very intensively influence her daughter according to these reasons. Faile is rebelous, etc, but she is also the daughter of a woman of very strong character who care very much about what is her family like. "Zarine" doesn't cover all this Deira's influence, but "Zarine" is definitely integral part of this influence. Without Deira's strategy of how to care about her daughter the sole name "Zarine" wouldn't be so significant. But it is part of Deira's strategy and so it just couldn't be unsignificant for Faile's life.
Free will:
***"I think in her vows she just used her legal name, to make the marriage official and valid, I'm not sure that reading anything more than that into it is wholely justified."***
It could be so. I'm sceptical about the importance for her to say the vow in pedantical form because of just legality, because later she uses the name Faile in official political acts, where legality is a high concern. But that is not so important here IMO. The implications of the name "Zarine" will have their effect also in case of Faile wanting only say the vows in an official form. Because important here are not the intentions, but rather the feelings. Whatever Faile's intention are, her feelings about the name "Zarine" would be the same... unless the situation . Faile doesn't manifest any negative emotions towards this Zarine in the vow (Perrin would sense if there would be such). In any other occasions she feels angry about the name "Zarine" but this occasion is an exception. In other words: in the occasion of the marriage her usual negative emotion about "Zarine" is not turned on; in this occasion Faile doesn't see anyhting unpleasant in identifying herself as "Zarine". In other words: when it is about her marriage, Faile doesn't kick against the "Zarine" identity, i.e. she accepts this self-identification in questions concerning her marriage.
As about the predictions based on this, mine is that Perrin has somehow to break Faile's stereotype concerning the Zarine complex, else she will be encouraged to act towards a doomed end.
Ozymandias:
***We hear from Min that her visions say that a hawk and a falcon come and settle on his shoulders and whatnot, and that Min thinks that Faile will tear Berelain apart. I'll find an exact quote later, but I think its in tDR. Anyways, is it Zarine that will battle the obviously Zarine-like Berelain, or is it the Faile persona?***
Hmm, I haven't taken in the account the visions about the falcon fighting the hawk. However the Zarine persona is not something so much divided from the Falcon's personality - it is not a persona in a multi-personal disorder but just an aspect in a complex character, a trend in it, a nuance in her. Why would the "Zarine" be symbolized in viewings by a separate image, what are the reasons for such separation? I see nothing that would require such separate expression. "Zarine" is only the bundle of believes and emotions Faile is yet not finished yet to clear up in herself.
***"You imply that a Zarine mus fight a Zarine to gain Perrin"***
No, a Zarine must fight a Zarine just because there is no place for more than one Zarine in one and same storyline. It's like the situation with two kings in the same kingdom - if they don't fight they could maybe under clever diplomatical conditions have enough control over the kingdom, if they fight they could both lose by destroying the kingdom as such, but nevertheless more likely they would fight the stereotype for a "king" demands that there is only one in the kingdom. It's all about the power of stereotypes. So Faile is playing a Zarine even if this is not needed for to gain Perrin, and faile knows it quite well. It's unadequate, but following stereotypes is well known for resulting in inadequate behavior.
***"Because according to your cultural analysis, which I more or less fully agree with, the Zarine persona will not, and almost cannot, show herself to be involved in a fight over a man, as it is supposed to be men who fight over the Zarine-type woman. In fact, that would probably effectively destroy the Zarine persona as it violates what you intimate is the primary law of being a Zarine: make men want you."***
The "Zarine" archetype would hardly include anyhting about fight between two Zarines, but there is another thing about Zarine, that would result in a fight between women as a consequence: most likely the Zarine archetype assumes that there is place for only one active Zarine in the scenario (what is usual for the femme fatale stereotypes). If the real situation is burdened with more than one candidate for the role, they have somehow to solve the situation between them. Direct fighting is not very good for the Zarine image, but being in affection a woman could do also the fighting... In Tear Faile was still too freshly upset with Berelain's appearance, and Faile was still to much in the Hunter's mode of reactions. In Cairhien however we can see more developed Zarine vs Zarine action. Faile beings to act not directly against Berelain, but only in her relations to Perrin. Later in Ghealdan Faile is thinking about her fight with Berelain being unfortunately fought with Perrin being the battlefield. In Cairhien when first encountering the Berelain's actions Faile reacts in a remarcable way - the first night she is extermely ardent in Perrin's bed, the next nights she totally rejects him. It fits exactly in the usual femme fatale stereotype - first phase is to impress the man as much as possible, the second phase is to play extreme unreachabilibty for to force the man to do something the femme fatale wants from him. Important for this stereotype is that it is a stereotype, i.e. a woman who thinks according to this stereotype would be tempted to act so even if it is not adequate for the real situation. I see in Faile som euncritical repeating of zarineish methods, that would make Faile not so attractive.