at losing his eye and giving up half the light of the world
by Mieric al Caar: 2003-06-19 | Not yet rated
Most people feel the visions concerning Mat losing an eye mean he will literally lose an eye. We know that in this series dreams, visions, and prophecies can be symbolic as well as literal.
For example, Perrin does not really have a falcon and a hawk perched on his shoulders. He has Faile and Berelain. And Rand did not slay his people with the sword of peace. But rather told them they used to be pacifists. So why then does Mat have to literally lose an eye? Could this refer to something else? And if so what? This is my interpretation of some of the visions regarding Mat.
1) The Finn prophecy that Mat will: Give up half the light of the world to save the world. (The Shadow Rising, chapter 15, Into the doorway)
2) Both Egwene's and Min's dream/viewing of Mat eye on a balance scale. Egwene's dream, Mat placing his own left eye on a balance scale. (The Dragon Reborn, chapter 25, Questions) Min's viewing, a red eagle, an eye on a balance scale, a dagger with a ruby, a horn, and a laughing face. (The Eye of the World, chapter 15, strangers and friends)
3) Mat throwing dice with blood streaming down his face, the wide brim pulled low so she could not see his wound. (The Fires of Heaven, chapter 15, What can be learned in dreams)
4) Min's viewing that Rand will almost certainly fail without a woman who is dead and gone. What good to tell him he would almost certainly fail without a woman who was dead and gone? (A Crown of Swords, chapter 35, Into the woods)
Now when talking about Mat losing his eye I have always believed this meant his foxhead medallion as it is described as having only one eye.
I also feel that the Finn prophecy about giving up half the light of the world is talking about the same event. Jordan is fond of using points of view and perspectives of characters. With that in mind, would half the light of the world be the same thing to the daughter heir of Andor and a white cloak like Byar, a Carhienin lord and an Aiel clan chief, or even close friends like Mat and Perrin? I don't think so. So we need to see what is important to Mat. In my opinion the two things that identify Mat and that Mat treasures are
1) His luck, it is his defining trait and he uses it to his advantage whenever possible.
2) His foxhead medallion, his shield against rabid Asha Man and meddling Aes Sedai.
Some people would say his memories, but from many places in Mat's point of view he thinks of the memories as more of a curse than a blessing. So with these things in mind, what could make Mat give up this eye and half the light of his world?
To answer that question let's take a look at Egwene's dream “Mat throwing dice with blood streaming down his face, the wide brim pulled low so she could not see the wound.” When I first read this I thought it was another version of “the dicing with the Dark One dream she had before. Then I looked at it a different way. What games used dice in this series? Not stones or sha' rah only spots, crowns, and snakes and foxes.
Now I'm thinking Mat would need a bloody good reason to go back and dice with the Finn and a woman in distress is just the thing. Mat, Rand, and Perrin all seem to have a soft spot for the fairer sex. When Mat finds out about the tower of Genji from Perrin or Birgitte he will grump about it but will eventually decide she must be rescued. (With some urging from Thom of course)
We know that when the Finn give gifts they want payment for their services. So to release Moiraine they will want something in return. The irony of Mat giving up his protection against the One Power to save an Aes Sedai is something I think Jordan's warped mind would think of.
In one chain of events Mat can fulfill three visions and bring back Moiraine so Min's vision concerning Rand certainly failing without her, will be solved.
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Tamyrlin: 2003-06-26
So, you are saying that Rand will lose without Moiraine. Having Moiraine there for Rand will save the world. Mat, by saving Moiraine, will save the world through Moiraine. And the light he will sacrifice is his medallion? But what do you think the symbolism is of the blood? Is he going to lose his own life? I guess you can say that he was given the medallion and almost lost his life, so giving it back up to those who gave it to him might be something sacrificial, but it just doesn't seem to reach the level of "half the light of the world." It doesn't say, half the light of "his" world. And Mat was trying to hide his eye from Egwene...why hide it? And it would appear that the loss comes from gambling, are you saying that to enter the Finn world would be his gamble? While I understand how you are fitting the events together, I don't accept that Mat has any reason to return to the Finn, especially not on Moiraine's behalf; he isn't aware of Moiraine's importance, and getting Mat back into the Finn world would be something very difficult for Jordan to do according to everything he has told us about the doorways. Just some thoughts.
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rubbernilly: 2003-06-26
I agree with Tamyrlin on this one.
Why can't the visions be direct (after a fashion)?
Egwene sees Perrin with a wolf. That's pretty direct.
Min sees a babe in a cradle with a sword around Lan. That's pretty direct, too.
Why not this vision, too? There is plenty of other symbology to them for interpretation: what does the dicing represent? And why scales? Etc.
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Callandor: 2003-06-29
Egwenes vision of the Seanchan attack of the White Tower. She knows exactly what it meant right away.
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Mieric al Caar: 2003-06-29
The phrase “ half the light of the world.” Would be interpreted differently by different people. Perrin for instance, the light of Perrin's world is Faile. But to Mat Faile is just another woman. But as Perrin puts his faith in his wife Mat put his faith on his luck and the ability to not be channeled at. So in essence half the light of the world for Mat could be the medallion. And as for Mat trying to hide it from Egwene he did I don't think she knows now unless Elayne mentioned it. They knew he had a ter angreal but did not know what it was? Mat is also traveling with Thom who has a mysterious letter from Moiraine. Now Thom thinks Moiraine is dead because the door melted burned. But they will soon meet up with either Perrin or Birgette and by tavern swirl of fate they will discuss the Tower of Genji. Thom will realize Moiraine is not dead and they will set out to find her. And as for giving up the medallion not being that big a sacrifice it is his immunity so he thinks to the power. That is a tremendous sacrifice.
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Anubis: 2003-06-30
its wierd, all the vivions strongly point to mat losing an eye, but the half the light of the world thing points to the world losing something important, but being saved because of it... maybe both? it could work. i think mats losing an eye tho.
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Mieric al Caar: 2003-06-30
As for what the dicing represents the dice themselves represent the game of snakes and foxes or the Finn. And as for why the visions can't be direct Egwene also saw Perrin with a hawk and a falcon. We know this is Faile and Berelain so we know that sometimes Egwene's dreams are symbolic. Also I don't see it as a loss through gambling. The dice as I said before represent the Finn and the Game of snakes and foxes. The blood could be symbolic of his giving away the medallion as it has become a part of him and losing part of yourself makes you bleed. Finally since we have yet to see the Seanchan assault Tar Valon it remains to be seen if Egwene interpreted that dream correctly.
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Jack o Shadows: 2003-10-23
I think that maybe Mat will want to go rescure Moiraine for whatever reason but Tuon gets a lil jealous so he goes anyway for honour or whatever and sohe gives up half the light of his world. By then they're be deeply involved, maybe she's his eye, helping with politics or whatever. The when he goes to rescure Moiraine he loses his eye. He dosn't want peeople to know he's hurt. Also, losing an eye would effectivly stop you from seeing half of what you usually see.*shrug*
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mako0424: 2003-12-28
no idea if this is important or not, but it sounded very similar to maybe be just coincedence, but in the beginning of CoT, in Arad Doman when The Wolf (Itulrade) is looking at some soldiers, he talks to a yound mischevous man who has a hanging scar from a noose around his neck from a childhood accident, and he had an eye patch after losing an eye.
Sounds like he maybe bvisited the Aelfinn too.
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HawkeWolfe: 2003-12-29
Tamylin
You said that it would be difficult for RJ to get Matt back to the Finns, but I disagree. He would love to go back and get his revenge for them trying to kill him. He has made his dislike of the Finns very well known. I think that once he finds out that there is a way to get there again and also a way to get a form of revenge if he can, he will jump. I beleive that he will be part of a plan to rescue Moraine, by cheating the finns using the fire, music, iron scenario. But unfortunately something goes wrong, and he has to bargain, using his eye to pay the price. To me that seems more plausible given how much Olver is looking to win at the snakes and foxes game, as well as Perrin knowing about the Tower of ghenji, and everything else that has been mentioned. I think that a plan will be formed that looks like it cannot lose to Matt, but something goes wrong.
Anyway, just my two pennies worth.
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HawkeWolfe: 2003-12-29
Oops...sorry for the mispelling of your name Tamyrlin...
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rubbernilly: 2003-12-29
Mat must give up his eye.
He doesn't 'lose' it.
He doesn't have an 'accident.'
In one vision, he is seen putting his eye on a balance scale. The balance scales represent a decision that he is weighing. This fits in with the Light of the World viewing... he weighs giving up his eye against saving the world.
Therefore, I remind everyone of the theory that one of Mat's eyes is a connection to the DO. The connection lets the DO and maybe a few high ranking servants (Demandred, MOridin, etc.) spy on him as they wish from time to time.
If Mat is involved with Moiraine's rescue, which I think he will be, then I can see the Finn discovering the tie to the DO. Hating everything to do with the shadow, they require of him his eye. Somehow in the bargain, he gives up his eye but gains Moiraine.
Wouldn't it just be Mat's luck that in trying to best the Finn (for the third time), they get the best of him again (at least in his opinion).
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broon7: 2004-01-03
I don't know if Mat will truly lose an eye or what the viewing/prophecy means, but i don't think "half the light of the world" is the medallion. I can't see the medallion having the kind of importance that the prophecy/viewing invokes. Plus, in Crown of Swords, he was ready to give the medallion to Elayne when they went to find the bowl but she turned it down. True, he said he wanted it back after, but if it really was half the light of HIS world, I don't think he would have even thought to let someone borrow it. Just a thought.