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Tamyrlin: 2003-09-25
Not bad pilgrim. Some of your ideas are the general, but you don't see many people claiming that Tuon will wear the bracelet, and will bring Rand before the throne. I think Book 10 will make your suggestions more difficult, unless you believe that Rand will be caught and held until Tuon returns? Also, the Alivia death thing refering to the gentling...it would be better if you had a quote that speaks of gentling being like unto death, but it is a fun idea. Well, good luck.
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Vaughn882: 2003-09-25
I don't know about the rest of it, but I really like your idea of Mat betraying Rand. In tGH, I, like most people, beleived that mat meant he would never tell people that he was the dragon reborn or that he could channel, because that was back when it was a secret. Mat might betray rand for tuon, thats one of the only reasons i think he ever would. For the rest of it, i really have no comment. Book 11 is going to have to have a lot of stuff in it, a conclusion to a ton of plotlines before tarmon gaidon can start. It should be awesome. I only have to wait 2 years......
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Fade: 2003-09-25
Quick question regarding this theory. if rand were severed from the source, and then nynaeve healed him, would that cure or at least subside his channeling sickness? i know that he will retain his sickness and madness now that the taint is gone, but if he is completly cut off from the power, will that completely heal him?
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Callandor: 2003-09-25
**I think this means that he will tell somebody about Rand being the Dragon Reborn, which will have a serious consequence. I think the someone is Tuon.**
Doubtfull for one reason: Mat would most likely have recognized Tuon from the possible futures since they involve real possible people (IE: Rand married Egwene, he saw a Tairen prince marry Elayne, saw Tam, etc.) So why wouldn't Mat see Tuon if he saw his future? It is possible that those particular memories were eaten away, but I doubt it.
Also, why does everyone need Nynaeve to Heal death? You can't! Dead is dead, Rand had all the power of Callandor harnessed into the body of the little girl in Tear, and he couldn't do it. New weaves? More skill? Bull crap. It just won't happen. Rand dies and lives on by having his soul (the soul of the Dragon (LTT)) reborn again and again as the Dragon in future turnings of the wheel. Join my faction.
Welcome to theoryland.
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Korell: 2003-09-26
Here goes I dont think Tuon will have anything to do with Rand in this instance alot of times the prophicies are very loose as for this particular instance from his own perspective when he goes to meet with Suroth he thinks he is going to be meeting the daughter of the nine moons so from his own perspective if they collar him he will see it as her collaring him thefore the prophecie will be fulfilled without Tuon being anyware near them plus i think that what we have seen of Tuon as far as her culture sees it she is a genrally good person i dont think she is a DF
As For Aliva i am in the camp that she may somhow help fake Rands death so that he can survive to fight the last battle and then he will die for real there or perhaps she is there to save the soul and not the man
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Callandor: 2003-09-26
**Quick question regarding this theory. if rand were severed from the source, and then nynaeve healed him, would that cure or at least subside his channeling sickness? i know that he will retain his sickness and madness now that the taint is gone, but if he is completly cut off from the power, will that completely heal him?**
No, the madness would stay.
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Someshta: 2003-09-27
random thought: has anybody noticed that nine moons is also how long a woman is pregnant for?
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Korell: 2003-09-27
So Tuon is the daughter of Pregnancy hehe could not resist never know though it could have some signifigance
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Rhodric: 2003-09-28
hey pilgrim i don't think i've heard the back-flow of the male a'dam used as an explanation of how Rand will both bind and be bound by the nine moons to serve. makes sense - first he is bound by the e've, then takes control of the link, and therefore he binds the female wielding the bracelets, thus fulfilling both prophecies.
also "he shall bind the nine moons to serve him" could mean Rand will control the 9 months of pregnancy, to do with what he will...um...
;)
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Korell: 2003-09-29
Here is a quick question Aliva, i think the one who bonded Rand against his will she can feel that there is somthing going on inside his head
if the 2 women controlling Rand with the E've were hooked up to him for a long period of time would they start to experience signs of Maddness i think that they would because they can sense the emotions of that person interesting thought
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Allie: 2003-09-30
If Rand was severed, what effect would it have on everyone that has bonded him? We know what effect a stilled Aes Sedai has on her warder - Alric (Siuan's warder) dies. Lan (If Moiraine is not dead but stilled) loses the will to live. Will the same happen to Elayse, Aviendha, Alanna and Min? Would Min have the same effect, being a non-channeller?
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Jiana: 2003-09-30
Hmm now wouldn't that be something? Whoever has Rand collared will eventually not only feel the madness or sickness from saidin that is already in him, but they will also feel things/emotions from Alanna, Min, Aviendha, and Elayne... Oh no, thinking about the nine moons/pregnancy thing; what if Elayne, during her pregnancy, binds him with the bracelets? Ha ha, don't think it will happen, just my weak attempt at humor. It's late... g'nite.
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Korell: 2003-09-30
Allie
Would Min have the same effect, being a non-channeller?
I would Say yes because she can still feel his emontions it is almost more like she is bonded as a warder rather then being the Bonder AS as far as the power is concerned that is but she still has Rands emotions floating around in her head
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Fade: 2003-09-30
From my interpretation of what Moggy said about the e've eventually allowing the man to control the woman or women who heve him leashed, i thought that the back flow would take a relativly long amount of time, as in years. if that is the case then the theory that this is the way rand will bind the nine moons is basicly shot out the window. thats just my interpretation anyway.
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Deadsy: 2003-10-01
Allie, I don't think it would work like that. It's the warders that die. The bonders are just really distraught for about a year whether they liked the warder or not. Rand is on the warder end, so Alanna, Min, Avhienda, and Elayne will all think he's dead and cry.
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golem22: 2003-10-02
With the ammount of people who want to bond to poor rand i think he has got to be the most unlucky bastard alive!!!!, The count is allready at 4 for people bonded to him!!!!
Some said earlier that no ammount of skill can revive the dead, a long time ago i made a theory in here dealing with what i called "Heroic weaves" Basically ultra powerful weaves that a 1st class channeler sometimes creates at times of great need that are unique and brand new. I think that rand being dead would result in great need and thus nynieve could discover that healing the dead is possible. Remember before you shoot me down that healing a stilled women/man was once considered impossible as well.
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Vander: 2003-10-05
i dont think rand being stilled would have any effect on the bond. since THEY bonded HIM, its a bond of saidar, has nothing to do w/ saidin so him being severed shouldnt affect it. now, they may feel it when he was severed etc, but the bond would remain.
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Korell: 2003-10-06
Vander you make a good point if Rand were Severed it is unlikly it would have the affect of the bond doing anything however the Girls i am sure as you stated would possibly have the affect of the emotional distraught over losing the OP
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Anubis: 2003-10-06
the bond between rand min elayne and aviendah is NOT THE TRADIDIONAL WARDER BOND. it is described as being much more natural feeling. the other bond is described as a nuiscance. the bond also does not seem to rely on channeling. naturally one member would need to be able to channel, but min clearly demonstrates that the link to the one power is not what keeps the bond going.
