rophecy 101---Blood on the Rocks
by EvilJawa101: 2003-10-27 | Not yet rated
Okay, well I'm sure that most of you know the prophecy of the dragon, particularily three lines:
1)Twice and Twice he shall be marked, 2)Twice to live and twice to die.
3)The line about the Dragon's blood on the rocks of Shaol Ghoul freeing the world. (Sorry can't remember the exact quote)
So anyhow, pertaining especially to the last one about the Dragon's blood. Ok, well prophecy being what it is, as far as i figured it could actually be three different "types" of blood. It could be 1)Rands, 2)Rand's kid's or 3)The Aeil or Andor's (remember, hes got a bit of both in him.) Ok so now, that means that either Rand, one of his kids or Aiel/Andor are gonna get whacked in the Last Battle.
Well, we already know that Aiel are gonna get nearly wipped out because of Rand, and Andor, will most likely be present at the Last Battle a la Elayne. Ok that would be unless she was pregnant (Rand) in which case he would definantly insist on her not being there. He might tie up Aviendha/Elayne/Min anyhow to keep them out of it. So Andor and the Aiel will definately be there. As far as Rand's kids go, hes got 3 gfs, so its gotta happen sooner or latter. However, unless the last battle doesn't happen until Rand's in his mid thirties, I doubt his kids are gonna be there and even if they were in their teens, he'd probably tie them up.
Now a side note: Robert Jordan has a knack for killing characters who get in the way of love. Take for example Moiraine. Something had to be done about her, because she got in the way of Lan/Nynaeve. Now some could argue that it was coming anyhow and I totally agree, but I still think it had something to do with it.
Next take Mat's Aiel gf (srry can't remember name) she turned out to be a darkfriend, because RJ needed someway to remove her so Mat could wed daughter of nine moons. Now granted, there could have been other ways to remove her, but I can't think of anything short of whacking her. Yes, they could have just stopped liking each other (Rand/Egwene) but....I just dunno.... So anyhwo back on track.
My other thought was that Either Rand OR Elayne and Aviendha would die. This comes largely from my theory above about RJ whacking characters who get in the way of love. Now Rands currently got 3 gfs. I dunno, but I don't think thats gonna resolve itself without outside intervention. Personally, I think Rand will die is more likely, because it would be kinda awkward with just him and Min. Then again, she could also die, which would surely drive Rand crazy, if he isn't already. Now assuming Rand does die, how does that save the world/free mankind from himslef. Which leads me to believe it will be Rand.
Although....as to whether he dies....one can't be sure with prophecy. But I beleive he will die, simply because too many issues will be unresolved without him dying. I also believe that his 3 gfs will go with him. simply because it would be...odd otherwise... Assuming Rand dies, that would mean he needs a reason to die, perhaps he is in someway, unknowingly evil, or his death is required to save the world. Secondly, as many people believe, this battle happens every turning of the wheel. Now it says he will live and die twice. Perhaps another, perhaps different Dragon will take his place next time (my choice would go to Egwene) and then Rand will cease to be the dragon nxt time he is reborn and just be a plain old guy, maybe even lucky enough to live a normal life. So I know thats a lot of ranting, but I would really like some feedback considering the number of loose ends i present.
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Tamyrlin: 2003-11-04
While it could be the Aiel and/or the armies/people of Caemlyn, I tend to believe that it will be Rand's actual blood. Of course, Aiel will die on the slopes of Shayol Ghul, but Rand will be there, and will most likely take an injury. I don't think his potential kids will have anything to do with the final battle, since it will occur in a few months (one would assume). Personally, I don't think he will die, but I think it will be believed that he is dead. I hope Jordan "burns him out", but that might have implications on future lives of this soul, so maybe not.
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Callandor: 2003-11-04
**TITLE: Great Hunt, CHAPTER: 26 - Discord
"Twice dawns the day when his blood is shed. Once for mourning, once for birth. Red on black, the Dragon's blood stains the rock of Shayol Ghul. In the Pit of Doom shall his blood free men from the Shadow."**
For you.
**Well, we already know that Aiel are gonna get nearly wipped out because of Rand, and Andor, will most likely be present at the Last Battle a la Elayne. Ok that would be unless she was pregnant (Rand) in which case he would definantly insist on her not being there. He might tie up Aviendha/Elayne/Min anyhow to keep them out of it.**
To me, it is way too bovious that people miss it, Elayne will give birth right when Rand dies in the Last Battle. So she is in Caemlyn giving birth, Avi won't leave her side, and Rand can send Min there for safe keeping.
**Now a side note: Robert Jordan has a knack for killing characters who get in the way of love. Take for example Moiraine. Something had to be done about her, because she got in the way of Lan/Nynaeve. Now some could argue that it was coming anyhow and I totally agree, but I still think it had something to do with it.**
You are generalizing the reasons why she was supposed to leave; RJ did that for many reasons and only one of them you mentioned (Nynaeve). You didn't mention Rand losing his councilor, Lanfear being gone, more of a breaking between Rand and the Aes Sedai, and all the possibilities of the Tower Aes Sedai meeting up with Moiraine and not being so nice.
Melindhra (Mat's gf) was killed because she was a Darkfriend, yes, but she was going to kill Mat in a Forsaken plot involving Rand. There is more then just being able to marry the DotNM; Tylin was his "gf" when Tuon came anyway.
I am very adiment about this. Rand will die in the Last Battle (physically!), he will not be coming back AT ALL in the books after that. No miraculous rebirths, or special anti-death weaves from Nynaeve; Rand dies and his soul, the Dragon's Soul, lives on to be reborn again and again.
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Fade: 2003-11-04
i have always fought to have the idea that Galad will die at SG, recognised as a possible solution to the prophesy. the other potential fit to that prophesy is that Luc/Isam will die at SG. it fits the blood prophesy, but also the often repeated "no man can stand so long in the shadow that he cannot return to the light" line.
wouldnt it be cool if Galad fought Luc/Isam at SG, and they both died, and as Luc/Isam is about to die he repents.
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Cor Shan: 2003-11-04
But would you call that living???????
Oh, and EvilJawa101, Rand is not crazy. LOOK AT HIS POVS. Awkward? They KNOW for crying out loud. They are so helplessly in love w/ Rand that they are all fine with it... as a matter of fact Rand has the most trouble with it....
Callandor, too many loopholes for Rand to live> Nicolas Foretelling I belive it was: (I think it was) The Eye, the Lion, and the Dedicated spear, on a boat (exactly right from here on) with a man that is dead, yet lives.
Finns say he will live, but it means either genteled, or as a soul.
Rands Blood - Aiel, Andor, Galad, Of coursee, non fatal injury would work, but too corny. I lean on Galad, as he is the closest. Thus
R of an R is the Aiel
Rand needs to live for Avi's quadruplets, with something wrong.
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Jalt Varyd: 2003-11-04
The Prophecy does NOT say "life's blood" or "heart's blood" or anything like that. We really have no reason to be sure - or even nearly sure - that it means Rand will die in the Last Battle. I think he will be Wounded - twice, on two different days. This would probably fulfill the Prophecy.
The only Prophecy I know of that definitely says he will die is "To live, you must die." and that also says he will (or at least might) live. I think Rand, Mat, and Perrin will all survive the Last Battle. They have been here from the start, and are the most important characters, so it seems probable that they will be here until thte end.
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salem: 2003-11-04
It's funny, I had just submitted something about the blood being Rand's kids too, but I didn't write it out as fully or as clearly as you. I don't know if it will be anything to do with his children, but the phrasing of the prophecy and Elaida's foretelling about the ruling house of Andor being a key to victory at the Last Battle seem tied to me. Of course, we know that there is a plot to kidnap Elayne, but why is Mellar/Hanlon waiting until after she becomes pregnant? The timing must be relevant. Just the child's presence on the rocks could "stain" by their purity. Or, maybe the Dark Friends will just hold Elayne and children hostage in Shayol Ghul to try to make Rand give up. Her pregnancy is too big of a plot device for Jordan not to use. After all, Elayne got pregnant her first, and only time having sex. There has been A LOT of sex in these books, and no one else has gotten pregnant that I remember. I don't think Rand wil die, because Min saw him as two people merging and only one would survive. I take this to mean his and Lews personality's/soul's whatever. Just some of my thoughts.
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Zaela Sedai: 2003-11-06
Rand's body is NOT going to die! As Min's viewing stated either Rand's or LTT's soul will prevail. The Finn's "To live you must die" means one of the soul's must die. The dragon's soul needs to become one again.
again.
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Callandor: 2003-11-06
**Callandor, too many loopholes for Rand to live> Nicolas Foretelling I belive it was: (I think it was) The Eye, the Lion, and the Dedicated spear, on a boat (exactly right from here on) with a man that is dead, yet lives.**
Rand dies PHYSICALLY! His SOUL, the Dragon's SOUL, lives on to be reborn again and again. THAT is how he dies and lives on.
**Rand's body is NOT going to die! As Min's viewing stated either Rand's or LTT's soul will prevail. The Finn's "To live you must die" means one of the soul's must die. The dragon's soul needs to become one again.**
Rand has one soul in him; LTT is a seperate personality of Rand. The Dragon's soul is whole.
**TITLE: Lord of Chaos, CHAPTER: 26 - Connecting Lines
Did all men go mad alike? Would he end like that, laughing and weeping over things no one else saw or knew? He knew he had a chance to live, if a seemingly impossible one. If you would live, you must die; that was one of three things he knew must be true, told to him inside a ter'angreal where the answers were always true if apparently never easy to understand. But to live like that.... He was not sure he would not rather die.**
I don't really see the difficult part of this entire thing. The prophacy says dead, Nicola's Foretelling says dead, Min's viewing says one dies and one lives on; where is the complication? It is all very, oh so very, simply solved if, take a guess!, RAND DIES!
This entire series has been about the Dragon's soul; NOT the Last Battle. The Last Battle is a possible means to an end which is Rand's soul either ending up in the Dark One's control, and then the Light losing it's champion and the Dark winning, or the soul being safe and secured to be reborn again and again.
** TITLE: Eye of the World, CHAPTER: 51 - Against the Shadow
Ba'alzamon seemed to notice nothing. "It matters little if I have you alive or dead, except to you, and to what power you might have. You will serve me, or your soul will. But I would rather have you kneel to me alive than dead. A single fist of Trollocs sent to your village when I could have sent a thousand. One Darkfriend to face you where a hundred could come on you asleep. And you, fool, you don't even know them all, neither those ahead, nor those behind, nor those by your side. You are mine, have always been mine, my dog on a leash, and I brought you here to kneel to your master or die and let your soul kneel."**
**TITLE: Great Hunt, CHAPTER: 47 - The Grave Is No Bar to My Call
Egwene. I can't let them do that to her. Ba'alzamon's voice rode over his thoughts. "You have only one salvation, Rand al'Thor. Lews Therin Kinslayer. I am your only salvation. Serve me, and I will give you the world. Resist, and I will destroy you as I have so often before. But this time I will destroy you to your very soul, destroy you utterly and forever."**
And finally the most convincing one:
**TITLE: Dragon Reborn, CHAPTER: 55 - What Is Written in Prophecy
Slowly the shadow descended, resolving into Ba'alzamon, clothed in dead black, like a Myrddraal's black. Yet even that was not so dark as the shadow that clung to him. He hung in the air, two spans above the floor, glaring at Rand with a rage as fierce as his eyes. "Twice in this life I have offered you the chance to serve me living." Flames leaped in his mouth as he spoke, and every word roared like a furnace. "Twice you have refused, and wounded me. Now you will serve the Lord of the Grave in death. Die, Lews Therin Kinslayer. Die, Rand al'Thor. It is time for you to die! I take your soul!"
Ba'alzamon's blow struck him as he leapt, struck inside him, a ripping and crumpling, tearing something loose, trying to pull a part of him away. Rand screamed. He felt as if he were collapsing like an empty sack, as if he were being turned inside out. The pain in his side, the wound taken at Falme, was almost welcome, something to hang onto, a reminder of life. His hand closed convulsively. On Callandor's hilt.
He turned to face Ba'alzamon. The tearing within him had ceased as soon as his hand touched Callandor. Only an instant had passed, yet it seemed to have lasted forever. "You will not take my soul," he shouted. "This time, I mean to finish it once and for all! I mean to finish it now!"
...
The ground beneath his boots pulled at him as if every pound suddenly weighed a thousand, then all weight vanished so that a step left him spinning in midair. Unseen maws gaped to rip his mind from his body, to tear away his soul. He sprang each trap and ran on; what Ba'alzamon twisted to destroy him, he made right without being aware of how.**
For some reason, people seem to buy into the idea that the DO has control of all the souls in the world that haven't been reborn and awaiting that rebirth; hence "Lord of the Grave". This is VERY untrue. The DO CAN bring back people from the dead, but only those who have willingly given their souls to him (Forsaken obviously, and a possibility of Isam and Gray Men) and most likely those who have been taken forcefully (like what Ishy was trying to do to Rand in TDR).
Rand is alive and has the possibilty of his soul being taken at least by Ishy/Moridin for the Dark; he obviously won't ever give his soul willingly. Once he dies, the soul goes to await rebirth; beyond the DO's reach. It is safe their.
That is the entire point. Rand will physicaly die (IE: "Oh look, Rand has his body cut in half. That's one dead Dragon." or something that is a REAL death), but his soul, the Dragon's soul, will live on to be reborn again and again. Hence fulfilling the "To live, you must die."; hence fulfilling the "One lives, the other dies."; hence fulfilling the "He who is dead, yet lives."
Join the faction.
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Anubis: 2003-11-06
i think it is ENTIRELY possible that rand dies sealing the dark one. Just using enough power to pull it off would likely cause him to explode or somthin. nice blood splatter on the rocks....
The cool thing is that it could go either way. Rand could die. or he could get to live out his days in peace. The prophesy allows for both to happen.
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Jiana: 2003-11-06
I think there are a few different ways that the prophecy could be fulfilled. We will just have to RAFO. Elayne could give birth on Shayol Ghul. Why is she there? Because she is stubborn and Rand can't tell her no any more than he could tell Min no when she insisted on coming with him when he cleansed saidin. Or Galad could die, fighting Luc/Isam or in some other spectacular fashion. Or, if Galad is fighting Luc, it could be Luc that dies. Could be one of the Aiel, or most likely a whole lot of them. Or (I doubt Jordan will do this but anyway) I've always wondered what would happen if Jandhuin never actually died in the Blight. What if he shows up at the last moment only to be killed? Major stress for Rand, and of course Rand would take the blame, saying that he killed his own father etc etc. But that's just my take. :)
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EvilJawa101: 2003-11-11
Ok, im replying to my own post, but here goes, first oh all, regarding Rand's sanity. I see there as beening two main types of insane. There are the psychopaths, who act like the badie in a slasher movie. Then there are the crazy people who can hold a completely normal conversation despite being crazy i.e. Ishamael in the first books. Regarding the whole blood thing...I dunno, I'm not saying one way or another, just pointing out there are multiple solutions to the same problem....
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Shaidar-Haran: 2003-11-11
Oh and btw. I have to go away, so this is short. Rand has been injured twice already. Once by Ishy's spear, and next by Fain's dagger. Almost every major fight, these wounds break apart and bleed. Lol. Its worth a shot?
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tat sedai: 2003-11-11
I borrowed the wot books so I don't have them as a reference, but didn't someone tell Rand that he wasn't going to be reborn?
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Zaela Sedai: 2003-11-12
Callandor-
"Rand has one soul in him; LTT is a seperate personality of Rand. The Dragon's soul is whole."
Rand doesn't have a split personality, he talks to the guy for gods sake! He's not mad yet, Min sees TWO men in ONE body= TWO SOULS!!
You're in the wrong faction! ;)
Sorry, I'm done now :)
Tat-
I don't have the books here, but you may be thinking of one of the many conversations between Ishy and Rand. He says something like he will turn him and the DO will make the world in his image= Rand immortal= no more reborn dragons.
Wow I'm going to have to upgrade my account so I can search out qoutes and stuff . I hate spending money!:(
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Cor Shan: 2003-11-12
Ishy did say in tEotW that this was the last confrontation between himself and the Dragon. Ishy was insane so... I initally believed that this was the last last battle, but the other evidence has failed - the women warder thing.
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Cor Shan: 2003-11-12
Of Birgettes - Barely remember hearing about a women who had bonded another -> presumable herself and Elyane, after one or two (Aes Se-freaking-dia) generations.
[sorry for double post]
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kikyo: 2003-11-13
I personally would be more satisfied if Rand dies. I just think it would be too touchy feely if he somehow managed to live through this. But, I feel like I am being set up for a fake out death. All of this, Alicia will help Rand die, to live, he must die, etc. makes me think that what will happen is that the winning strategy against the Dark One will involve having him think that he has killed Rand. Alivia will figure out some kind of weave that will allow him to convincingly fake death (sort of like the Romeo and Juliet potion) and that will allow him to win TG. Or maybe to get him away afterwards, I don't know why but I just feel like that's what this is leading to, rather than a real death.
I would prefer the real death. I like Rand and all, but I'm not prepared to believe that he can come away from a fight like this and live happily ever after with his wives and children.
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a dragonburned fool: 2003-11-13
Among the possibilities about who's blood would been pouerd at SG, the Rand's own blood has at least one advantage: there is to find a reason, why could be this blood on the rock so important (I don't think in prophecies could come in unimportant detail). Rand has his both wounds containing 2 very specific natures (both DO's evil from Falme wound and SL evil are substances someway different from the normal nature of the world, and both have the power to change reality in some degree to their kind of being), an we have seen (especialy by the Cleansing of saidin), that touchings between different kinds of natures could give special effects. But why is somebody other's blood to be there? What so special with it, when that's time when lot of men and women and another beings obviously will be killed?
And why it's regarded as so strict exclusive alternative Rand-dead-and-no-Rand-more versus Rand-bodily-never-been-killed? The prophecy seems so similar to Christ-model, that we have to take in account his bodily death and ressurection after that. Not in the christian way of course. And not nessesary Nyn. to Heal death (I don't like that idea). But if 1.) Rand is facing DO in battle and 2.) DO can somehow give new life to his Chosen, then maybe Rand in the battle becomes access to the thing, what DO is using for his resurrection tricks, and so Rand becomes the opportunity to go back to life against DO's will (in his meanwhile Healed, or in another body - LTT managed to go with old personality in new body, why not Rand; maybe even sharing body with somebody). I do not say, it will be so, but I think the possibilities are equal with the alternatives.
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Sensir: 2003-11-14
Good theory but the fact that hes gonna drip a little blood doesnt mean hes gonna keel over... or anyone for that matter. From what ive seen RJ never really introduces a char. that does soemthing majorly important and dies (minus chosen). so i figure he could just bleed a little then be fine. Does the prophecy state that hes just gonna be killed. I also think that RJ only put in people believing it means hes gonna die so wed believe it. Take a minute and think of what the prophecy states. BLOOD not death right. so its entirely possible RJ just does all of the hinting in the books but theres no fact that rand al'thor is supposed to die. Hes the only unity the world has seen and if he wrecked that then hed dropt he entire series off in a civil war. Thatd just be dumb right??
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Callandor: 2003-11-15
**From what ive seen RJ never really introduces a char. that does soemthing majorly important and dies (minus chosen).**
Umm... the characters that have done stuff "majorly" important, the Pattern hasn't finished with them, that is why they are still alive (IE: ta'veren).
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1111: 2003-11-18
"Twice dawns the day when his blood is shed. Once for mourning, once for birth. Red on black, the Dragon's blood stains the rock of Shayol Ghul. In the Pit of Doom shall his blood free men from the Shadow."** (thanks to Callandor for the quote)
I'd say it would be hard for people to mourn over his blood if he doesn't die.
It seems to me that the last few books will cover a few months only, since, presuming "once for birth" symbolizes Elayne giving birth, her pregnancy might be the countdown to the last battle.
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Zaela Sedai: 2003-11-18
"twice dawns the day"
Am I way of here or does this seem to imply that there will be two days when rand's blood will be shed? Once for each wound maybe? And if it "frees people from the shadow" maybe he will be free from the wounds of the shadow? Just a thought.
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1111: 2003-11-18
"Twice dawns the day" might also symbolize the beginning of a new age. The title 'lord of the morning' could be pointing to this beginning
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Jiana: 2003-11-18
"Once for mourning..." Why does the mourning have to be for Rand??? I personally don't think that Rand will die in the Last Battle, mostly because it would be really sadistic of RJ to kill his hero. Yes, yes, I know that it is supposedly prophecised (sp?) but we all know that the prophecies are wayyyy open to interpretation. And besides, as mentioned in a different theory, each turning of the wheel is a little different from the last. Maybe one of the differences for this turning is... Rand gets to live. :)
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Dragons Shadow: 2003-11-25
Just a thought.
Could "Twice dawns the day ..." be meant LITERALLY?
Perhaps Rand will find a way as he is dying (bleeding on the rocks) to force the wheel to turn BACKWARDS and restart the day again. The second time with the knowledge of what happened the first time. That way he could avoid any mistakes he may have and exploit any weaknesses he may have seen the first time the day played through. Thus his blood on the rocks gave him the insight and clarity that people seem to have when they KNOW that they are dying. This insight enables him to actually WIN T'G and bring about the birth of a new age.
Just a new twist. Shred away.
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a dragonburned fool: 2003-11-25
"Perhaps Rand will find a way as he is dying (bleeding on the rocks)to force the wheel to turn BACKWARDS and restart the day again."
- good idea! And most likely everybody's memories doesn't change after restart, like by the balefire effect, so everybody having 2 different memories for the same sunrise. But one problen remains - Dragon's blood have to free the world, how could Rand do it after the restarting without pouring his blood (again?). Good idea, but the problem with Rand's death remains even in case that's right.
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Zaela Sedai: 2003-11-25
I like that theory. "To die and live again" What if it wasn't Rand who turned back the wheel, but Nynaeve, or Elayne etc. It's possible I think.
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Than: 2003-11-25
if you are easily offended skip this part(ok i understand you all want to have proof that you were right when the Great Lord breaks free that you were right but heres a quick thing why do you get so mad when someone disagrees with you do you realy think that just because someone else thought it up it has to be wrong? RJ is probably watching you all and laughing his *** off at how mad you get when someone disagrees how many times has RJ caught everyone off guard and done something completly out of the blue so trhat said stop ******* ******** at each other and chill its a book no beter or worse that the bible or the greek myths its not worth getting mad about (and no im not a peace loving hipp.. i mean tinker, just a stoner))
any way base upon what i have seen about how RJ fufils his prophecys you arent gonna be right about it not completely but as i see it heres a couple of ideas i think you missed 1. Rand is already dead or at least as good as hes so cold inside he would probably be better off dead. 2. he fakes his death so people will let him live in peace 3.he dies but not until after swearing himself to the Great Lord and so the GL gives him a new body (ill atmit its not all that likely but hey RJ is a twiztid S.o.a.B. so ANYTHING could happen he says he knows how the books will end and so do we all its the same as that Damned paraagraph he starts all of the books with(the prologue doesnt count) just substitute Shayol Ghul for the place the wind rises from.
Respectfuly Yours
Than De'Circe
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Anubis: 2003-11-25
twice dawns the day:
the shadow streaches across the pattern, it is night again. shadow is defeated, hey we have a second dawn. Its pretty obvious if you read the part in book 2 where the shinerians have their ceremony and talk about gaurding against the shadow at noon and all.
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natas: 2003-11-26
Rand cannot die at Shayol Gul, because LTT did not die when he sealed the DO during his turning of the wheel. LTT lived after placing the seals, and when the DO did its backslash and put the taint on saidin, thus causing LTT to go mad, and kill everybody around him and the world. Hence, his name "Kinslayer".
If the wheel keeps weaving, then Rand must live to break the world again after the so-called "last battle".
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Jiana: 2003-12-01
Than: I don't believe I have ever seen anyone get "mad" on this site. Of course there are debates, and people are going to defend their own theories and ideas, and probably try to disprove others that do not coincide with theirs, but that's why its THEORYLAND. It is for debate. And what is debate? Intelligent argument based on fact and opinion, NOT a barroom brawl.
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Callandor: 2003-12-01
**If the wheel keeps weaving, then Rand must live to break the world again after the so-called "last battle".**
And what has Rand been doing throughout these novels? Making straw houses?! He HAS been Breaking the world; however, it is in a much more literal sense. Look at the Aiel, they are, if you know what to look for, radically different from what they started out as in the beginning of the novels. Tairens and Cairhien and Illaniers all marging together in an army and not breaking up into bitter rivalries? It is CHANGE that is breaking the world this time, not just a physical Breaking.
So, no, Rand can EASILY die in the Last Battle, and by all accounts probably will.
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matoyak: 2004-08-11
Warning...pet theory alert.....I'm going to someday write a (good, hopefully) theory about this when i have time to. maybe when rand gets captured by the seanchan he pretends to get killed by alivia and pretends to be a blind begger. (on a side note maybe his wounds break open when he is doing this and he puts a hand to his side becoming the exact figure of the fisher of moridins game. [on another side note it could be that he does not see what is going on around him]) then (skip quite a bit) when TG comes around Rand gets killed by either lannie (aka cyndane) or Fain. then moriane balefires that person and rand is back alive.
yeah i know....got some holes . I would like some info so i can get that theory togather.
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fistandantilus: 2004-08-12
Does the prophecy ever state that the dragon, the dragon reborn, or Rand will die? I think RJ keeps repeating that rand has to die in the books so that all us WoT freaks will start to belive it. If you've noticed, that statement is thrown in by several characters in every book since Rand found out who he was. If we all start to believe that Rand has to die, we are all set up for the incredible twist that allows the Dragon reborn to live. Any amount of blood can fulfill the prophecy at Shayol Ghul, that does not have to mean his death. However, I believe that after the last battle, Rand will lose his...ta'verenness...as the need for one will be gone.
Now the expected arguement to counter this is Min's viewing that Alivia will help Rand die. Now, you never know what in these books RJ will use literally, and what He will use figuratively. Rands death could be symolic, ie. his fall from grace when the world at large learns that he has three wives in a monogamus society. Or, perhaps she will cause Rands heart to stop for a while before resusitating him, so he can free the souls that are held capitve on earth by the Dark One.
Or I could be wrong...
