errin and the Nym
by HawkeWolfe: 2003-12-24 | 3 out of 10 (4 votes)
I really do not have a theory, more of a question to throw out there. One of the viewings/fortellings that applies to Perrin is that Trees blossoming around him. Since he has contacts and influence with the following:
1) Ogier
2) Tinkers
3) Aiel
We can pretty much guess that Perrin is going to get these together and do the "Song" thing that we saw in TSR with Rand's flashback. The only thing missing from this picture is the Nym. Was the one in TEotW the last one? If so how can the Song be complete without the Nym?
One thing that I have wondered about is with the ability of a stasis box to keep things indefinitely, would not the Aes Sedai of legends put as much as they could in stasis boxes and then store them in a safe place till the Dragon is Reborn and TG is fought and won? At least that is something that I would try to do in that situation.
The reason that I mention this is that we know that gholams were held in stasis boxes, and while I do not think they are alive, per say, can you put a living being in a stasis box? And if so Maybe there is some huge lost warehouse full of stasis boxes that the forsaken do not know about. Also maybe, inside one or two of these boxes is a couple of Nym?
If anyone else has an idea about how RJ is going to get Nym back in the picture, Please reply. Thanks for listening to the ramblings of a mad man. Hahahahahahahaaahhah.
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Tamyrlin: 2004-01-02
Stasis boxes. Sometimes it would appear that Jordan has created a universe too large and given us too much information. I wish he would elaborate on vacoules, stasis boxes, mirror worlds, portal stones, etc. This is one of those areas where I don't think he is going to go. While it is possible that the Aes Sedai of the AoL used stasis boxes, and it would appear that Sammael has found one, how many could be found, how many were lost...and would they store a Nym in one? Well, I don't think so. Personally, I don't believe a Nym has to be there. I don't think the Song is an actual song. The growing songs were nothing special. The Tinkers are looking for the time of old, they want to return to a peaceful world of which the Song is a symbol. I think Perrin will be helpful in bringing back that world, in leading them to peace, and that the Nym and an actual song isn't what will bring them back. Good luck. :)
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Frenzy: 2004-01-02
There's a very good chance there won't be any more Nym.
Shadow Rising CHAPTER: 26 - The Dedicated: "Then we will do what we must. The sword must wait. Someshta, we have a task for the last of the Nym, if you will do it. We have asked too much of you; now we must ask more."
As for putting people into a stasis box... who knows. i get the feeling that might be considered cruel.
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Korell: 2004-01-02
Someshata was the Nym at the Eye of The World and he is apparently dead that does not mean absolutly that there are no more Nym however i would think from the above information that it is the case since the AS belived him to be the last of the Nym. This being said there are two points which neither validate or eliminate the argument and that is first off we dont know how the Nym were created thefore could more have grown since the time of the AS setting Someshata to guard the Eye and the second being that AS dont know everything even in the AOL they did not know everything there for it stands that their could have been more Nym at the time and they may have been in hiding or even across the ocean the point still stands but those pieces of information could atleast help an argument that Nym still exist however definatly not a basis for one
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Anubis: 2004-01-04
u know that huge tree thing? maybe when the nym die they make a huge tree that sprouts little nym. who knows. its possible.
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heronblade: 2004-01-05
What about a Nym Gardener?
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brigitta: 2004-01-05
OK, according to the assumption that all things will happen again in the Wheel of Time, it is pretty safe to say that the Nym will be made again eventually, it is a whole other issue, if they will be made now or later. it seems to me that since "the old things are coming again" (Perrin Wolfbrother) it will not happen now because there must be balance. even the wolves seem to have almost forgotten about people running with them, and they stay kind of alive even dead... so it must have been several ages since that was lost. To RJ balance is a big thing, so I don't really think he would bring the Nym back just yet, although I would very much like it.
Stasis boxes. could there have been one(or more) in the cache in Rhuidean, but Moiraine didn't recognize it/them? Rhuidean was sacred until the Car'a'carn came, and I think the ones who made the prophesies knew it would be the same person as DR, and leave him some goodies to play with... and- where are the wagonloads of goodies now???
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rubbernilly: 2004-01-11
Putting someone in a stasis box is not cruel... because to them, as soon as you put them in, someone else is letting them out. There is no passage of time.
The Nym are not the product of "seeds," I think. The BWB says that they were created by the AS. Sure, they could have been created to reproduce by seeds, but I just don't know.
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minalth: 2004-02-18
Is a gender ever mentioned in referance to the nym? (sometchta (sp!) in particular 'cos i think he is the only one we have seen) maybe they are asexual and in the long time that guy spent guarding the EotW he had time to make more seeds... how they would be found now I dont know...
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Vimmzy: 2004-02-18
i agree with Tamyrlin. I don't think the song will be the song you saw in rands viewings in rhuidean. I think the song is something else, the song is just a symbol name imo.
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Flinn Sedai: 2004-02-18
Everybody is going on the assumption that everything and everybody from the AOL is in this little area or the world. There could be a continent that has thousands of Nym on it for all we know. I think RJ will bring them back through the Seanchan.
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Callandor: 2004-02-18
Nym are constructed, and we have only seen one Nym (The Green Man), so we cannot say if they have different genders, or if they are all male.
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Davian93: 2004-02-18
The song is the Growing song. Maybe one of the AS will all of a sudden know how to construct a Nym kinda like Egwene rediscovering cuendillar with no problem. The stasis box is also a possibility for a Nym. For the song they need Aiel, Ogier, and a Nym to weave the songs together and make things grow. Because of that, I think "The Song" while symbolic of the past is a very real song and Perrin will rediscover it.
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Oatman: 2004-02-21
Nym are plants. Ogier have more skill with plants than anyone. Perhaps a particularly strong Treesinger could bring a plant to life with this talent
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Aan-allein: 2005-06-07
Tamyrlin-
I must disagree with this
"Personally, I don't believe a Nym has to be there. I don't think the Song is an actual song. The growing songs were nothing special. The Tinkers are looking for the time of old, they want to return to a peaceful world of which the Song is a symbol."
I think Rand will remember the song from his flashback. In some conversation with Perrin about all the different cultures they have encountered since leaving the Two Rivers, Tinkers will be brought up. Rand is very smart, but I don't think RJ elaborated about how Perrin thinks about a situation from every angle for no good reason. Perrin will consider the song and what Rand has told him about the Aiel and Ogier from his vision. He will probably then reflect upon his meeting with the Green Man. Next thing you know, he's off to find Gaul and Loial, sweeping them off to the nearest bunch of tinkers to try his "experiment"
This is my opinion, nothing more.
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Aan-allein: 2005-06-07
How could you say the growing songs are nothing special?
I think they were one of the Aiels main duties in the AOL!
Making entire fields sprout with wheat or corn when the land is starved for food after the LARGEST battle of an entire age would be nothing special?
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Tamyrlin: 2005-06-07
Aan-allein - There were a variety of growing songs, and it was side work for the Aiel; they were servants of Aes Sedai, not full time singers. The Aiel singing was an augmentation of the real power that came from the Ogier. There is no power in the actual voice of an Aiel. They are like an'greal, they have no power within themselves, but their voices, at that time (and I am sure it wasn't all of the Aiel doing this), was used to increase the power of the song. A Tinker singing the growing song, will do absolutely nothing.
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Narianna: 2005-06-08
the real power came from the nym not from the ogier IIRC. the passage goes something like the seeds sprouted wherever the nym stepped and so on.
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JamieK: 2005-10-08
in a recent RJ interview, he said that the singing enhanced the one power. if OP was being used, aiel singing would strengthen the weaves. so it doesnt just come from ogier and nym arnt needed.
