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Tamyrlin: 2004-10-06
(Frenzy of Tamyrlin)
Wow, i was convinced this was posted already, but i can't seem to find it. i know we've all pretty-much agreed with this on the message boards.
Small nitpick: if Tigraine came back Elayne would never have been born.
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DCIMorse: 2004-10-06
I tend to think that Elaida was both right and wrong about that Foretelling. Certainly, House Mantear (Tigraine's line) will prove more important than Trakand in the end, but one could argue that Trakand is also crucial. Elayne is fighting for control of the most strategically important nation in Randland, and her knack for studying and duplicating ter'angreal has not yet fully paid off, IMHO. Even Gawyn could prove essential to victory, if only through his imminent rescue of Egwene.
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Callandor: 2004-10-06
**However Elayne is only apart of the Royal Family because of the Succession.**
To be factual, every noble that has a part of Ishara's blood, is apart of the Royal Line. But that's really splitting hairs.
**By the way no this doesn't make Rand a part of Elayne's family because if Tigraine had come back she would have been Queen and Rand would have been a Prince and House Trakand would never have had the throne and Morgase and later Elayne would only have been High seats**
Also more important to note that they aren't apart of the same family, to avoid the incest case ;)
**I tend to think that Elaida was both right and wrong about that Foretelling.**
**TITLE: Shadow Rising
CHAPTER: 1 - Seeds of Shadow
Apart from everything else, it infuriated her that she could not find Elayne. Elaida had the Foretelling sometimes, the ability to foresee future events. If it came seldom and faintly, that was still more than any Aes Sedai had had since Gitara Moroso, dead now twenty years. *The very first thing Elaida had ever Foretold, while still an Accepted-and had known enough even then to keep to herself-was that the Royal line of Andor would be the *key* to defeating the Dark One in the Last Battle.* She had attached herself to Morgase as soon as it was clear Morgase would succeed to the throne, had built her influence year by patient year. And now all her effort, all her sacrifice-she might have been Amyrlin herself had she not concentrated all her energies on Andor-might be for naught because Elayne had disappeared.**
1. Key is singular -- one key, not two.
2. Sure, Elayne is important, but compared to Rand, the Dragon Reborn, Queen of Andor is a pitiful comparison when dealing with defeating the Dark One at the Last Battle.
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ilgross: 2004-10-07
People claim that Andor will be a central part of the last battle, but I kinda doubt this has traveling means that all places can be potential battle grounds. (The shadow coast sounds like a great place for a surprise trolloc flood).
Besides Rand can't or won't return to Andor for several reasons.
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snakes-n-foxes: 2004-10-07
I too thought this was how everyone read that line.
And Callandor, key is singular, but in this case the 'key'is an entity, meaning that any one, two, or the whole of that entity could be the 'key' to defeating the dark one (admittedly in this case, it is extremely unlikely/downright improbable that the whole line be needed)
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clarkkd: 2004-10-22
Elaida is cracked! Everything she fortells she twists to put her in the lime light!
She fortells that the Amyrlin will be a force unlike others or some such, (and we know she was talking about Egwe.) Her fortellings are wide open for interpritation and so general.
I don't know why I'm pointing out the obvious?
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Anubis: 2004-10-28
The really funny thing is that at the time Tigraine was the queen of Andor (i think). Her son was Rand. That would mean that the royal line of Andor spawned Rand, and im not sure how royal lineages work but I would think that would make Rand a part of the royal family of andor.
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brother of Battles: 2004-10-28
IIRC Elaida had that fortelling when she was still an Accepted. When she became and AS, she attached herself to the Trakand as soon as it was obvious they were going to win.
Her fortelling was about the Royal House of Andor being a critical part in TG. And no offence to Callandor, I am pretty sure the fortelling was referring to who's ever house was currently Queen.
So, Based on what we know now, what if Andor's part in the last battle has already come into play? By this I mean Elayne's pragnancy. The Survival of Rand's Blood and Family Line might be that pivital role that the Royal House might be referred to in Elaida's Fortelling.
Well, That was just my 2 cents worth, have at it.
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Callandor: 2004-10-29
**Her fortelling was about the Royal House of Andor being a critical part in TG. And no offence to Callandor, I am pretty sure the fortelling was referring to who's ever house was currently Queen.**
Then there are two options:
1. It was directed at no one.
2. It was directed at House Mantear.
Elaida's Foretelling took place at either one of two vague times: before or during the Succession. She has already attached herself to Trakand, when she has had her Foretelling (IE: it took place before there was a for sure ruler).
**So, Based on what we know now, what if Andor's part in the last battle has already come into play? By this I mean Elayne's pragnancy. The Survival of Rand's Blood and Family Line might be that pivital role that the Royal House might be referred to in Elaida's Fortelling.**
So, you believe that Elayne is the key to winning the Last Battle?
Again, if you base it off the ruling house, the timing does not match for House Trakand.
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brother of Battles: 2004-10-29
First, how long was the Andor Succession? It is totally possible that Elaida was still a Accepted when the succession began. And I wish I had the books at work with me, but I know that it mentions her first foretelling was when she was an accepted and it told her the ruling house of Andor would be pivital for winning the last battle. And she had sense enough not to tell anyone about it.
If, and I am not too sure about this, Elaida was still an accepted while the succession was first happening, then it would not mean House Minsobar. Besides, if I remember correctly, every foretelling was told from that point of view.
Foretelling is seeing the future. You would use present tense when talking about what is to come, past tense for the present and past, and Future tense about what is to come from the point of the foretelling on. When Elaida had her Foretelling about the ruling house, it would be whatever house was ruling when TG came, not necessarily the currently ruling house.
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Narianna: 2004-11-01
sorry to ask a somewhat unrelated question.but we have seen nicola foretell in the LoC and after she predicts she is unable to remember the foretelling .where as elaida remembers her foretellings.how is it possible. or is it that elaida is a complete fraud .but then how was she to know about the royal house of andor's importance
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Callandor: 2004-11-01
**sorry to ask a somewhat unrelated question.but we have seen nicola foretell in the LoC and after she predicts she is unable to remember the foretelling .where as elaida remembers her foretellings.how is it possible. or is it that elaida is a complete fraud .but then how was she to know about the royal house of andor's importance**
Elaida is not a fraud; we've seen her in ACOS have a Foretelling from her POV.
Whether Nicola has a personal weakness for being unable to remember them or something else, both of them have Foretelling.
