and will survive the Last Battle
by Vaughn882: 2003-03-04 | Not yet rated
I have found some very good evidence that Rand will somehow survive the Last Battle. In WH, Min has a viewing of how many children Elayane and Avienha will have with Rand. We know that Elayne is already pregnant, but Min said that Aviendha will have more children with Rand, at least 4 or 5!(sorry I cant find the quote can someone else look it up?) Anyway, we know that TG is coming soon, probably in less than 2 years, because we know that there are only like 3 more books coming out, and the books are usually less than 2 months apart in the character's lives. So how is Rand going to have so many kids with Aviendha in that amount of time. I know he gets around, but still it's humanly impossible to have 4 kids in 2 years! Not to mention they have kind of a long distance relationship and are both busy a lot. Also, I'm sure he'll have kids with Min too, but we don't know yet because Min cannot view herself. So this must mean that somehow, someway, Rand will survive Tarmon Gaidon.
You cannot rate theories without first logging in. Please
log in.
1
Tamyrlin: 2003-03-05
I see what you mean and I do remember that quote, but I think the accepted understanding of that was that Aviendha would have all of her children at once like triplets or quadruplets (if I am not mistaken, I thought that was implied.) If the quote is found and it isn't implied then you could make a case out of it.
2
Elder Haman: 2003-03-05
There is also the evidence that Rand asked the 'finns how to survive the Last Battle and they gave him a twisty answer that suggests he will survive- after he dies!
3
Callandor: 2003-03-05
Its right after Rand and Elayne get busy in WH when Min and Avi are walking down the hall in Caemyln.
And I think that the 4 kids might be a reflection of Mins own kids on Avi due to the bonding of Rand. Elayne has twins, if Avi has twins and then Min has twins... lots of child support then.
4
Aeolus: 2003-04-02
Just a quick response - I think Rand can get Aviendha (and Min for that matter) pregnant pretty quickly (!) - but this does not meen he'll be around when they're born. The nine months before his children would be born are plenty of novel-time for the last two/three books to occupy, particularly as I think the final book will be totally about the LB. That said, I agree that Rand will survive, but for different reasons posted elsewhere (I'm sure Tamyrlin recollects my stubborn Portal Stones theory!)
5
Highbreaker: 2003-04-14
Wow I just erased the word response from "write your response"! ok, yeah anyway... umm... more evidence supporting Rand living... this goes along with Elder Haman's theory... but I am gonna have to be somewhat ambigious, I don't have quotes, and I can't remember exactly, but I promise I am gonna reread those suckers... Ok, Yeah, min had a viewing, or egwene had a dream, of 3 mourning women standing over rand on a funeral bier... and then, I think, Rand gets up... and, well Nynaeve has been trying to figure out how to ressurect ppl... I think she can do it. People have been telling her it is impossible for so long that she is gonna have to try it sooner or later. I mean, it is just as "impossible" as traveling or healing someone who was stilled. I would love it if someone could find quotes... the funeral thing happens more than once, and I think it is slightly different each time...
6
Hydraan Sedai: 2003-04-14
I don't think it is possible to bring someone fully back to life. However, remember when Rand had Callandor in the Stone of Tear? He was re-animating a body. Well, perhaps Rand does die, but for the sake of [something], his body is re-animated. Maybe as a morale booster in the Last battle; Something like "You can't kill our leader....See?"
Although, it was impossible to Heal Stilling =P Maybe reincarnation is a lost Talent. The Dark One can do it, so it's possible, I guess.
With the Portal Stones Theory ((Sorry; I haven't found it yet =()), were you saying something about finding another Dragon Reborn in another world? That could be helpful =P
7
Highbreaker: 2003-04-15
Hydraan, thanks for seeing my point, even if you can't agree. But I would like to point out, that since the DO can reanimate, using the theory of balanced sides, there has to be a good version. I think that it wouldn't be exactly the same though... it would be a ressurection in the stead of reincarnation. Like the difference between saidar and saidin... one would be a more evil and violent version of the same thing. I personally don't see why, under the same theory of the DO's reincarnation, if the origional body weren't destroyed, why it couldn't be used if it was healed before the soul was placed back in it. (otherwisehe would just die again :P)
8
Highbreaker: 2003-04-15
In that second sentence, it was supposed to read, "since the DO can reINCARNATE" sorry, 'bout that.
9
Rand-althor: 2003-04-15
I see all the points, and agree with most of them, but one thing I have wondered. About a Reanimation weave, in tsr, I always got the idea that mat had been hanging in the tree, dead for a while (as in at least 2-3 hours) If this is true, then Rand didnt save him, he actually brought him back to life. Now thats at the point where Rand still channels a lot of stuff without having any idea how, and about the point where LTT starts to show himself, so possably either the same unknon by rand weave both brought Mat back to life, and LTT to the surface, or LTT was always there, saw Rands desaire, and helpped out of some sort of greif over all the people he had killed. Hmmm maybe that also explains why there is no embrasing the source in that scene, LTT was holding it all along to help Mat.
10
Vaughn882: 2003-04-15
I agree with highbreaker. Once someone dies, they can not be brought back by mortals. Its been repeated or suggested several times in profecies, viewings, and dreams that Rand will "die but live again" or somethin like that. There have been many theories about that, but i i suggest a new one. Hey, i cood prolly make a whole theory outta this but.....nvm. I think that perhaps the Creator will resurect him. WE know that the DO can resurect people, so why not the creator? However, we also know that the creator cannot touch the pattern, or he might destroy it. But the DO is outside the pattern too(for the most part, right now). So i guess that what i'm suggesting is that when people die, they exit or somehow leave the pattern. That is the only way i think that this all cood be possible. WEll, my main point is that Rand may be ressurected by the Creator.
11
Highbreaker: 2003-04-15
Hey, Rand, that is a really cool theory. I like it a lot. That being said, I still don't think that Rand will be the one to rediscover the "ressurection" spell. RJ has been building Nynaeve towards that since the begining of the books. She seems to be the only character not ready to accept those 'boundries' set forth by the Aes Sedai.
12
kinjimomoqwert: 2003-06-06
I was just reading this and a thought came to me. Okay, so when they made nyms in the aol, they got a soul for it somehow, right? so, all they have to do, is heal the body and then they get the soul, and tada! you have the person alive and well again. Although, they probably couldn't choose the soul, but then in this age, the channelers are doing a lot that was thought impossible in the aol.
13
Aelfinn: 2003-12-21
First, I definitely don't want Rand to die. So, I think that either he'll almost die or be thought dead. Heck, people have been revived after drowning and freezing to death (and hanging!) and probably other ways. And try to count all the times main characters have ALMOST died!!!
Who's all been thought dead? Mat, Thom, Moiraine (I believe she's still alive), Rand (twenty lillion times) and plenty of others. Granted, with Rand it was only with people who probably don't even know what he LOOKS LIKE, but get my point? I like reading about when everyone thinks somebody's dead and then it turns out that they aren't, so that would fill a bunch of stuff -- "he who is dead but lives". If you're in a coma or something you might be thought dead pretty bloody quickly.
Kay, now I'm done my rambling.
Second, ***Min cannot view herself.*** I wonder what would happen if she looked into a mirror at a certain instance?
14
Cor Shan: 2003-12-22
Or can a channeler's glow be seen in a photo, or in a mirror?
But ya there is too much stuff like the funeral beir(boat) that has he who is dead, yet lives. All other fated to die characters (MAT) have lived
Mat has died 3 times - Finns, Darkhounds, and Rahvin, so Rand should be able to live and die
15
Elan Morin Tedronai 21: 2004-04-01
Kind of a far out theory, but what about Tel Aran Rhiod?? All the souls of the heroes of the horn reside in the world of dreams until they are spun out by the wheel, right?? So if Rand was to die during the last battle why couldn't Egwene puzzle out how to kick his soul out of TAR the same way Moggy did to Birgitte??
16
kikyo: 2004-04-02
My take on how Rand will die in order to live through the last battle is that at some point is going to have to convincingly pretend to be dead in order to make his plans work. This is where Alivia will come in to help Rand "die." They will pull a Juliet and work out a way, using the power, that she can render Rand dead for a temporary period of time.
My guess is that this would either happen after the DO is sealed away and the battle won, so that Rand can live in peace somewhere and not have to deal with the post-battle craziness, or this will happen just prior to the last battle, so that the dark side thinks the Dragon is dead and victory assured.
