alme was a Prelude to TG
by Shadow Bane: 2003-07-01 | Not yet rated
Tjis theory concerns the battle of Falme in TGH and it's connection to Tarmon Gai'don. I know everyone has probably read TGH but i will just give a refresher for what happened at Falme.
Rand, Mat,Perrin, Ingtar(the Shienarian captain) and Hurin (his sniffer) ride into Falme to get the Horn of Valere and the SL dagger for Mat. Ingtar reveals to Rand he is a darkfriend after they get caught in a tight spot and gives his life for the others to escape. This leaves Rand, Perrin, Mat, and Hurin alone on the plains outside the main city with WC's to 1 side and Seanchan on the other.
Rand wants to go back and free Egwene from her a'dam. They are about to be over run in a matter of minutes so Mat blows the Horn saying "It has to be there at the the Last Battle, nothing says it can't be used before then." The horn is blown and we all know what happened then (I Hope)
A few points I would like to express-
1)Mats statement above looks like a tidy little bit of foreshadowing
2)Artur Hawkwing gives all three boys VERY IMPORTANT TITLES
-Mat, hornsounder
-Rand,duh Lews Therin the dragon
-Perrin, bannerman
3)The hereos cannot fight without the dragon banner
4)Rand gradually drifts away from the others and ends up facing 'Balalzamon'
Now I bet your wondering where I am going with this HUH? Well this is my theory Falme was almost an exact (for lack of a better word) 'downscaled version' of TG. Artur Hawkwing refers to Rand as the dragon for obvious reasons but why to Mat and Perrin by those titles? Because THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE MEANT TO DO!
Perrin is the bannerman. What is a bannerman? A bannerman is a brave, steadfast person who should have unwavering faith in what he is fighting for. This sounds EXACTLY like Perrins character. He stays by Rands side just Because Rand is Rand not because he is the DR. He believes in Rand and shows this on numerous occasions. Perrins taveran purpose is to be that of the Bannerman of the DR.
Mat is the hornsounder, the one who leads troops into battle. This one kind of explains itself I mean who is more qualified to lead troops than Mat? NO ONE, thats why Mat is the Hornsounder, and General of the Dragon Reborn.
Now that I've said that this is what TG should be like if this theory is true. Rand will fight the champion of the DO in a one-on-one which will ultimately decide the outcome of the battle. Perrin will be the bannerman who rallies the spirits of his troops and fights among them raising the DR banner. Mat will lead the initial strike where he will sound the Horn. Egwene will be in distress, Nyneave Elayne, Min and others will be at TG. Rand will Survive TG as will the other Taveran.
This is just an idea I had while rereading TGH but to me it seems to shed light on the meaning of Mat and Perrin, and about the "Tripod" thing. Tg will be VERY reminiscent of Falme.
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Tamyrlin: 2003-07-07
That is an interesting thought, the battle at falme being a foreshadowing of the Last Battle. This would mean that Rand's women will be taken captive, Rand will be attempting to save them, Mat will blow the horn when they are surrounded, and Perrin will lead the charge, as Rand slips away and fights Moridin. Does the final battle suggest that Rand will balefire Moridin? One champion has to fall for good, and the poetry from the fourth age suggests that it will be Moridin.
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Niahanchi: 2003-07-07
I like this theory a lot. Rand will be fighting for everyone instead of just his woman. But I can see it happening like this.
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Callandor: 2003-07-07
**TITLE: Great Hunt, CHAPTER: 47 - The Grave Is No Bar to My Call
Artur Hawkwing clapped the sniffer on the shoulder. "Sometimes the Wheel adds to our number, friend. Perhaps you will find yourself among us, one day." Hurin sat up as if he had been offered a crown. Hawkwing bowed formally from his saddle to Rand. "With your permission . . . Lord Rand. Trumpeter, will you give us music on the Horn? Fitting that the Horn of Valere should sing us into battle. Bannerman, will you advance?"**
According to the books, Perrin leads the advance, and Mat is the Trumpeter and does nothing really (although I do agree that Mat will lead the battle).
Also, a bannerman with Mat in LoC is who people who want to join with the Band of the Red Hand report to in order to sign up.
Also, Elayne and Avi wont be in the LB I dont think (Im not so sure even about Min), due to Mins viewing in TEOTW about everyone being needed (or seeming to) and Elayne and Avi werent there of course.
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Rand-althor: 2003-07-08
The titles were given for much simpler reasons. Rand is, as you said, the dragon reborn. Perrin is the bannerman because he agreed to carry the banner. If Hurin had agreed to carry the banner and spoken up first, then they would have called him bannerman. Mat is hornsounder because he sounded the Horn. Again, if sombody else had taken it from him and blown it, they would have been the hornsounder. Finally, how I interpreted it was that they are bound to the banner first, then the horn. Mat blew the horn, so they were bound to follow him (as the amyrlin says earlyer in the book) but because Rand was giving them orders, he needed to raise the banner in order for them to follow him.
Heres an idea that would be funny (although I hope it doesen't happen this way) Assuming Mat's bond with the horn was broken. The horn is stolen by the shadow, and they have dead heros fighthing with them at TG. Then the heros see the banner, and start butchering trollocs and Fades. That would be a ironic example of ignorance on the evil side.
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heronblade: 2003-07-09
but onece the horns been sounded it is bonded to that person and the onlyt was for anyone else to use it is for mat to die... :-{ no, i can't see that happening before the last battle.
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Shadow Bane: 2003-07-09
Mat can still sound the Horn though, and he will at TG.
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Rand-althor: 2003-07-09
I was not serious about the last paragraph. It would be ironic, but I can't really see it happening.
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Lewin: 2003-07-10
Generally like the Theory except that Egwene cant be in distress. All the seven that left Two rivers together have to be at TG according to Min.
And by the way HeronBlade, Mat is not bound to the horn any longer. And dont argue about it!
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Callandor: 2003-07-10
From the WOT FAQ:
**Bill Garrett's report of RJ's appearance at Balticon 30 (April 1996) contains the following: "(Jordan noted that Mat's death by lightning and subsequent undoing of his death when Rand balefired Rahvin, fulfills a prophecy about living, dying, and then living again.)"**
Mat didnt die in Rhuidean, he was revived by Rand. Because balefire undid Mats death, the Horn should still be attached to him.
And if he isnt, it doesnt matter since everybody still thinks he is still attached. So, if the Aes Sedai bring it for Mat in the LB, he will still sound it not anyone else.
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Dorindha: 2003-07-11
Bur, I seem to remember someone saying (Verin?) that no one knew that the horn created this bond, so the DO may well still be after it. The light side won't stop them if they think it's linked to Mat, so we could see our army of heroes fighting for the DO. (personally, I don't actually think that is going to happen though)
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Callandor: 2003-07-11
The Dark know Mat sounded the Horn.
**TITLE: Shadow Rising, CHAPTER: 13 - Rumors
The Fades black sword blurred as it knocked the dagger away, almost casually; it did not even break stride. "Time to die, Hornsounder." Its voice was a red adder's dry hiss, warning of death.**
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Lewin: 2003-07-12
That is Callandor if the Black ajah does not lay there hands on the Horn first...
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Rhodric: 2003-07-15
But the BA won't find the horn. they're ignorant.
if they knew, Mesaana would know. and she wouldn't leave it there for the forces of Light, traps or no traps.
who in the tower knows of the Horn's existence in the tower?
NO-ONE!
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Dorindha: 2003-07-15
I wasn't saying that the dark don't know that Mat sounded the horn (thanks for the quote Callandor) but that they may not know of the bond that is created by the hornsounder with the horn.
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Shadow Bane: 2003-07-15
Rhodric-
Interesting point i hadn't thought of that. With Suan and her lackies gone NO ONE knows the horn is there. How do you think Mat will get to it again, or will he ever get to it again? I mean Mat hates Aes Sedai, he probably wouldn't go to Tar Valon on his own.
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Weird Harold: 2003-07-15
Rhodric asks, "who in the tower knows of the Horn's existence in the tower?"
Alviarin does. She stopped Padan Fain from taking it with him when he took back the Ruby Dagger.
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Anubis: 2003-07-16
i think that if egwene gets her tower troubles sorted up then mat will prolly just have to ask for it... recall that siun does still know its there and that hes bound to it. and she is with egwene.
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rubbernilly: 2003-07-16
You don't think the WT is going to have a WHOLE lot of manipulation planned before Mat ever catches another glimpse of the Horn? If RJ writes that section with the same dithering and scheming that have plagued the other WT plots, TG will be over and done with and Mat old and gray and on his deathbed before he ever has the Horn in his hands.
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Anubis: 2003-07-16
ok then. mat has his medallion. long as he doesnt meet up with TOO many warders he could just walk in and take the thing... so what if its warded.
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golem22: 2003-07-17
this theory is way out there but none the less here it is, i dont think that mat necessarily has to be the one to blow the horn in the final battle though he does have to be alive (matt is supposed to die and live again) dieing would sever his connection with the horn quite sufficiently allowing someone else to sound it.
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Callandor: 2003-07-18
RJ said that Mat being brought back alive when Rand balefired Rahvin fulfills the prophacey of dying and living again. So, Mat really wouldn't die again just so someone else could sound it.
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Him-who-may: 2003-07-19
Back to the original theory. I like it alot and agree with it but I wonder how the whitecloaks fit into it. THe battle of Falme was after all instigated by Geofram Bornhald leading the Children to battle against the Seanchan.
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Anubis: 2003-07-19
the whitecloaks are the seanchan? the seanchan are the trollocs, and rands forces are rand mat and perrin... it could work, but i hope the last battle is somthing... more.
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Jiana: 2003-07-19
I know (thanks to Callandor for the RJ quote) that Mat's prophecy for dying and living again have been fulfilled. But just because the killing of Rhavin by balefire turned back the clock and Mat lived again, doesn't mean that he didn't die in the first place. I still think that his bond with the Horn was broken. However, good point that everyone still seems to think that he's linked to it, so it will be brought to him and he will sound it anyway.
