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anfear/Cydane : The twisted red doorway

by forever autumn: 2003-02-05 | Not yet rated

Previous Categories: What Happened to Lanfear/Cyndane?

Is this what i belive, or is it what i want to belive because lanfear rocks ??

// When they entered : //

She didn't die. She herself thinks she was held by the Eelfinn & the Aelfinn (WH ch. 35)

Stilled or not, who knows ?

// Inside : //

She most likely has some knowlegde of the Eelfinns and the dangers they present, that means she will bargain for the price and not easily be fooled. But did she notice that the twisted red doorway melted behing them?

That means after 3 "wishes" she couldn't get out of there. ((not knowing that it melted will make her belive that the Eelfinn & Aelfinn held her)). You could assume at least 2 of the wishes she would make(( If she was stilled she would ask for that too be restored))

Wish 1 : To bestronger then anyone in one power

Wish 2 : Lews therin

Wish 3 : ??

// Her return : //

Someone brought her back from the Eelfinn's, or she found a way out.

// After her return //

Her new name : Has she's simply just lost the privilege too choose her name. Or is her new name her choice?

New body :

Is her old body the price for her wishes, or is her new appearance her choice ?

Why mindtrapped :

She helped somebody opposing the Shadow learn skills which would make him more likely to succeed. (( "Giving" Asmodean to Rand))

// My idea : //

Lanfear has use some form of Mask of Mirrors that allows people to touch her without any problems.((Rand touched Selene more than once)). So if Lanfear wished for more strength in the OP she wouldn't like too reveal it to others, because if they dont know her true strength, its a advantage.

She's been missing for a long time and would gain a lot by appearing as someone else. The other chosen don't know who she is, what she can do with the OP.(TPoD ch. 12)

This gives her a another great advantage.

The big question is, is it possible to mask only part of your ability to channel ?

//Now rip it apart//
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Tamyrlin: 2003-02-06

Since I adore Lanfear so much, I guess this probably deserves its own category. I like the idea that Lanfear was treated just like everyone else, although I don't know how much she would have liked to be escorted, but as you pointed out, apparently she is familiar with these people. She does use the word held, but why would they hold her and then kill her? Or, if they let her go, why were they holding her? This brings up some good questions as to what the Finns are capable of doing? I know I have responded to this elsewhere, but now I can't remember why I fought the thought of them giving her a new body. Also, if she died, then any "cap" on her strength would have dissappeared. Could they have given her this body and that cap...and then she was found by Ishy and mindtrapped anyway? The finns make this quite difficult to decipher because we don't know the bounds of their power.

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Callandor: 2003-02-06

Lanfear wouldn't ask for her name to be changed at all, the Forsaken EMBRASSED the names that people gave them.

And she likes being the most beautiful woman in the world. I thought that when Greandal met SH with Moggy and Cydane, that she thought Cydane was merely beautiful, not more gorgeous then herself.

And even as Selene she was STILL one of the most beautiful women ever. And in the Waste she was just holding that desquise out of need.

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jason wolfbrother: 2003-02-06

There was no 'problem' with her Selene MoM because it was so close to what she really looks like. However, we don't see anybody touch Keille(sp?) in the Waste. RJ has said that it is possible to mask part of your ability. Lanfear herself did it when masquerading as Else Grinwell in the WT. However, I don't believe that Cyndane is masking her ability. She thinks to herself that she was weaker than when the *Finn had held her.

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forever autumn: 2003-02-06

Callandor, why not another desquise for a diffrent need? And her being mindtraped makes me belive her days of choosing her own name is over.

Jason, this is what Cydane thougth "She was stronger than Cydane had been before the Aelfinns and the Eeflinns held her. That was impossible; no woman could be stronger. " that dosent say that she's either weaker because of the Aelfinns and the Eelfinns, it just point out that her strength has changed. "No wouman could be stronger" seems to refer, at least in my mind to her strength before, and not after the Aelfinn and the Eelfinns.

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jason wolfbrother: 2003-02-06

The fact that Cyndane says "had been" seems to indicate that her strength has changed. We also have Demandred's POV where ponders Cyndane's identity and he recalls that Mesaana told him that she was weaker than Lanfear had been. I think with Lanfear's immense ego and Moridin holding her mindtrap she would not bother partially masking her ability. The other Forsaken are not going to care either way. If she is strong like Lanfear then they will just plot behind her back. If she is weak they will plot in front her face. There is no need to hide her strength especially as she is being punished already.

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Dragons Shadow: 2003-02-07

Could it be possible that the change in strength is that she is stronger?

maybe the "price" for the increased strength was her former body. She may only be appearing weaker because Moridin is using her as his ace in the hole. He does not want anyone to know how strong she is.

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Elder Haman: 2003-02-07

If Sharina Melloy is one of the Forsaken - I'd have to go with Cyndane. In WH isn't Cyndane described as short and with broad hips? (Sharina is described as having broad hips in CoT). Also Lanfear was always the strongest female channeler ever- (until Aliva). And the AS seem to think Sharina could be "as strong as it was possible to be." Sharina also has a bit of that "Lanfear arrogance/confidance" about her- and she showed up at the same time as Cyndane.

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Tigraine: 2003-02-07

There is one good reason that I can think of that would offer proof that Sharina is not one of the Forsaken. Simply put, the Forsaken do not tend to mingle in the affairs of each other at all costs.

We have Graendal in Arad Doman, Moghedien (until recently) in Tarabon, Lanfear (was) in Cairhien, Asmodean in the Three Fold (with Lanfear, until he died), Semirhage with the Seanchan, Rahvin in Andor, Be'lal in Tear, Sammael in Illian, Mesaana in the White Tower, Aginor in the Black Tower, and Halima in the Tower in Exile.

If Halima is already covering the Tower in Exile, I don't see why Cyndane/Lanfear would make her domain one and the same. I tend to think that either she and Moggy are now permanent messanger/slaves, -OR- she might be with that group of Borderlanders and Aes Sedai coming south. Just a thought.

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Elder Haman: 2003-02-08

A good point Tigraine- However, Ishamael is the one running the Forsaken opperation now and he tends towards complicated plans. Halima is struggling to prevent the unification of the White Tower, and preventing an alliance w/ the Black Tower. There has been a lot of activity and thought that suggest the White Tower is one of the keys to the Last Battle. It would be just like Ishamael to place another Forsaken in position to deal with the possiblity that Halima will fail. Cadsuane sometimes plans for some of her plots to fail so that others succed. Mat once thought Thom had walked into a trap in a game of stones only to realize Thom was going to trap him. Ishmael has done things like this before- A quote from Dune seems appropriate, "A feint within a feint within a feint."

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Callandor: 2003-02-08

Remember Moridin in TPOD when he says that its hard to lose a game when you play both sides... couldnt he also be doing that here? My memory is dodgy on who people think Lanfear might be acting as, but if Halima is acting to put a nex on Asha'man truce and everything, couldnt Lanfear be on the opposite side and making it even worse then? Just a thought no real proof :-P.